Clinton calls for an end to U.S. immigration raids

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton called on Monday for an end to raids by U.S. officials to deport undocumented Central American families, saying they were divisive and sowing fear in immigrant communities.

Breaking with President Barack Obama, Clinton condemned the raids carried out by the Department of Homeland Security and released a plan that she said would help protect Central American families seeking asylum.

The recent raids pursued families with undocumented members, in what some immigration groups viewed as a response by officials to a deter Central Americans flooding across the border in the southwest.

Clinton calls for an end to U.S. immigration raids | Reuters

Clinton joins sanders and O'Malley on this. Nobody likes "raids" -but a country that can't control it's border isn't sovereign
-it's just a place on the map..

There is a concept called "permissio" ( permission) when the US is in the mood not to enforce it's immigration laws
( and deportation is enforcement).

Word gets around quickly, and everybody in Guatamala or Honduras, or where there are drug wars and poverty head north.
It's normal human behavior.

So when Clinton says no raids, and wants a "case by case due process" what signal does that send?
Head north. Compassion is great, but compassion that encourages illegal immigration is not what a POTUS should do.

EDIT: we are in another one of those migration phases, lots of undocumented kids heading north again.

On the surface it looks like something being said to ensure a vote for Hillary that might go to Sanders otherwise, he has already spoken about this subject using language similar to that of Pelosi years ago in California.

But tactically this may be more about securing similar support in States such as New Mexico, Texas, California, Arizona, and Florida. All of which have higher concentrations of Hispanic voters, that from time to time have low percentage turn outs based on the candidates.

Regardless, this is now a checklist item for liberals. Calling for the end to immigration raids, and turning national security and law enforcement assets towards "right wing extremism."

Political pandering then? That's understandable, but when Trump does it ( walls/deportations) it's racism.
Of course Trump's language is foul in many other ways but is pure political punting the issue to advocate "due process" for everyone.
Why does an illegal get due process ( case by case hearings as Clinton explained it), and if so that is going to bring deportations to a trickle.

Words mater- policies matter, and unless we are simply going to cede border control there has to be true timely enforcement
ICE has the resources to pull off the raids - why not do it?

She can't end the raids. That is not what the law says and she has no power to change
the law.

She is no better than Obama in her stupidity.

annata said:

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton called on Monday for an end to raids by U.S. officials to deport undocumented Central American families, saying they were divisive and sowing fear in immigrant communities.

Breaking with President Barack Obama, Clinton condemned the raids carried out by the Department of Homeland Security and released a plan that she said would help protect Central American families seeking asylum.

The recent raids pursued families with undocumented members, in what some immigration groups viewed as a response by officials to a deter Central Americans flooding across the border in the southwest.

Clinton calls for an end to U.S. immigration raids | Reuters

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If they broke the law, I do not see how to just let it go. Even a law that retroactively makes staying a possibility is a dangerous precedent. That does not mean that we should not have a program of large scale immigration, if a majority of voters want it. But condoning illegal activity of the past is not a very good idea.

annata said:

Political pandering then? That's understandable, but when Trump does it ( walls/deportations) it's racism.
Of course Trump's language is foul in many other ways but is pure political punting the issue to advocate "due process" for everyone.
Why does an illegal get due process ( case by case hearings as Clinton explained it), and if so that is going to bring deportations to a trickle.

Words mater- policies matter, and unless we are simply going to cede border control there has to be true timely enforcement
ICE has the resources to pull off the raids - why not do it?

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It is just an assumption on my part looking at how frequently Liberals tend to look at this subject, draw whatever you will from it.

But I would caution too much association to Trump, as in the context of racial benefit or racial discrimination we have politically blurred lines here. I would agree that in principle we have an awkward political truth here. To mention what is arguably a benefit to a group right along racial lines is politically correct, offering any sort of restriction or criticism of a group right along racial lines is "racism." Perhaps made worse by Trump himself in the words he decides to go with. Due Process then becomes a tool, even though we both know we are talking about a matter of Constitutionality.

Words do matter, our problem is political intentions also matter. Calling for the end to immigration raids is nothing new, hearing Hillary speak about it seems to me to be about tactical efforts within the party to ensure support.

ludin said:

She can't end the raids. That is not what the law says and she has no power to change
the law.

She is no better than Obama in her stupidity.

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she can't use an executive order? (asking)

annata said:

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton called on Monday for an end to raids by U.S. officials to deport undocumented Central American families, saying they were divisive and sowing fear in immigrant communities.

Breaking with President Barack Obama, Clinton condemned the raids carried out by the Department of Homeland Security and released a plan that she said would help protect Central American families seeking asylum.

The recent raids pursued families with undocumented members, in what some immigration groups viewed as a response by officials to a deter Central Americans flooding across the border in the southwest.

Clinton calls for an end to U.S. immigration raids | Reuters

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The press refuses to ask Hillary what political oppression that these Central American "refugees" are seeking asylum from. Being poor or livng in a country (town or city?) full of ruthless and violent drug thugs does not qualify as reason for seeking US asylum from political oppression. Is it not odd that the US gives foreign aid, and that demorats including Hillary want even more of it, to the very same Central American countries that Hillary implies sanction such poiitical oppression?

What?s in the Billion-Dollar Aid Request for Central America? | Washington Office on Latin America

Being broke and sneaking across the US border (seeking free education and jobs) is not "seeking asylum", that is what we call illegal immigration and Hillary should be forced to recognize the legal difference. It is not coincidence that very few of these "asylum seekers" ever show up for their immigration hearings and thus must be later found via "raids'.

annata said:

she can't use an executive order? (asking)

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no.
and the SCOTUS is going to rule on it soon, but the 5th court of appeals has said no
to Obama as well on the same issue.

annata said:

she can't use an executive order? (asking)

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That depends entirely on the wording of the order, as in some clever use of asset allocation as a means to adhere to as much of the law as "resources allow." But, what the order cannot include is a direct contradiction to existing law (in theory.)

Of course that is all argumentative as the last several Presidents (at least) have issued various executive orders that blur that line between actions of the executive branch and actual legislative branch intentions.