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Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings[W:353]

Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Sorry. Covering up political assassinations via leaking classified info with the intent of it going public is worse than gross negligence. It's just reality CP. They both might be technically illegal, but one is much worse in reality.

What classified information was Libby convicted of leaking ??
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

What classified information was Libby convicted of leaking ??

He was convicted of covering up and lying about his buddy leaking classified info.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Sorry. Covering up political assassinations via leaking classified info with the intent of it going public is worse than gross negligence

:doh It's also not what Libby Scooter did.

United States v. Libby was the federal trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former high-ranking official in the George W. Bush administration, for interfering with special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's criminal investigation of the Plame affair.

Libby served as Assistant to the President under George W. Bush and Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United States and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs under Dick Cheney from 2001 to 2005. Libby resigned from his government positions hours after his indictment on October 28, 2005.

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements....

Speaking to the media outside the courtroom after the verdict, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said that "The jury worked very long and hard and deliberated at length ... [and] was obviously convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant had lied and obstructed justice in a serious manner. ... 'I do not expect to file any further charges,' Fitzgerald said. 'We're all going back to our day jobs.'"[25][58][59] As "the trial confirmed [that the leak] came first from then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage", and since Fitzgerald did not charge Armitage and expects to charge no one else, Libby's conviction "closed ... the nearly four-year investigation into how the name of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, and her classified job at the CIA were leaked to reporters in 2003 just days after Wilson publicly accused the administration of doctoring prewar intelligence...


What Hillary did is a felony. It is a very serious felony. She broke the same laws that Edward Snowden did, and the same laws that we pub Bradley Manning into prison for, along with Aldrich Ames, Richard Hanssen, and Jonathan Pollard. Furthermore, what she ordered here subordinate to do is also a felony. And no, she didn't do it on accident - she ordered him to do it. That is intent. The "oh goodness I'm just too stupid to know what all these newfangled computer things are" defense is no longer valid.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

He was convicted of covering up and lying about his buddy leaking classified info.

Sort of. I don't think I've ever seen where Richard Armitage was a buddy of his - he was part of the State Department that was generally hostile to the White House at the time. But yes, he didn't actually leak any classified information.

However, he did try to obstruct the investigation, and he did commit perjury, and he did go to prison for it.

Which is what should happen to people when they commit felonies. For example, when they deliberately violate the federal laws surrounding the handling of classified information, and order their subordinates to do the same.




I realize that you've probably decided you are going to vote for Hillary and therefore want this not to be important. Reality is not so kind to our wishes.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Well.

The State Department has been dragging it's heels a bit on releasing Hillary Emails, but those that are "Classified" on unclassified servers now number more than a THOUSAND.

A thousand classified emails, stored on an unsecured, unclassified server that was probably penetrated by foreign agents.

And then there's this

I've got a couple of sincere questions.

1) If she's heading into a meeting at 9am and needs those "TPs" what is the legal option?

2) Related to that, it appears that sending classified info over an unsecured line is the crime. I'm honestly trying to figure out how this works. So if I have an unsecure phone and discuss classified materials with a person authorized to discuss those subjects, that's also a crime?
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Why the hell isn't she in prison? Ahh well, crooks like her and Sandy Berger get a pass I suppose.

Nearly all crooked politicians get a pass. Remember the Scooter committed perjury and Bush told him it's ok, he won't serve time in the poky for it like you would. ;)
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

That's what I'm wondering. Talking points are points that are things specifically crafted to be distributed out to the public. I have a hard time believing that anyone would really care about this other than the "she doesn't agree with my politics so I'm outraged!"

I think Hillary has shown herself to be completely clueless regarding this email situation and it astounds me that no one called her out on it while she was in office, but this is really nothing.

4th most powerful position in the US government is Secretary of State. I could be wrong but I believe that also means that the SoS also has the same clearance for classified information as the POTUS. And Hillary kept such information on her server. And then after people found out that she had that information on a private server inside her house she attempted to delete it all. (should have been deleted the moment she left the office of SoS at the very least)

How can anyone NOT care about it? What's next if she becomes POTUS? Do you really want someone that handles classified information in such a grossly negligent way having a hold of the nuclear launch codes? I sure as hell don't. At this point she could advocate for every single thing that I care about in a politician and actually be able to get it and I STILL would NOT vote for her. I'd take Obama or Bush as 3rd term Presidents before her any day of the week.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

I realize that you've probably decided you are going to vote for Hillary and therefore want this not to be important. Reality is not so kind to our wishes.

I'm not voting for Hillary so stop trying to assume you know what I'm going to do, got it?

When you pretend like you know **** that you don't know you are just making yourself look foolish. It's not ok to say stupid **** just because you assume it's true CP. Hell, what you bolded has nothing to do with what I've even posted.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

What classified information was Libby convicted of leaking ??

He perjured himself and unlike you and I, he didn't go to jail, can you not understand why the partisan left would be ok with their criminals not being punished as well, hmm?
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

:doh It's also not what Libby Scooter did.




What Hillary did is a felony. It is a very serious felony. She broke the same laws that Edward Snowden did, and the same laws that we pub Bradley Manning into prison for, along with Aldrich Ames, Richard Hanssen, and Jonathan Pollard. Furthermore, what she ordered here subordinate to do is also a felony. And no, she didn't do it on accident - she ordered him to do it. That is intent. The "oh goodness I'm just too stupid to know what all these newfangled computer things are" defense is no longer valid.

You know what's unique about those guys that were imprisoned...................none of them were politicians. Like Libby, Clinton won't be going to jail. When partisans start requiring all criminal politicians are properly punished, then I'll be impressed.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Nearly all crooked politicians get a pass. Remember the Scooter committed perjury and Bush told him it's ok, he won't serve time in the poky for it like you would. ;)

Yeah, but both Hillary and Sandy Burglar committed direct acts, theirs weren't leaks or just perjury. Not to mention they have committed perjury as well.

Look, you can try to excuse this by saying hey, look at what the other fellow did. But it's not working, nor should it. She should be in jail.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

:doh It's also not what Libby Scooter did.

I poorly worded what he did. I was saying that there was political assassination via leaking info and he covered up for it and lied about it. I am saying he tried to cover up for someone that leaked, not that he leaked.

Not that you probably care about reality much. You'll just keep assuming what ever you want.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

What Hillary did is a felony. It is a very serious felony. She broke the same laws that Edward Snowden did, and the same laws that we pub Bradley Manning into prison for, along with Aldrich Ames, Richard Hanssen, and Jonathan Pollard. Furthermore, what she ordered here subordinate to do is also a felony. And no, she didn't do it on accident - she ordered him to do it. That is intent. The "oh goodness I'm just too stupid to know what all these newfangled computer things are" defense is no longer valid.

That's not very convincing to me at all. Snowden, for example, downloaded a bunch of classified info and handed it over with an encryption key to someone clearly not entitled to view the information. As I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm not familiar with the applicable laws, but it's just nonsense that what Hillary did is equivalent in any meaningful way since the sender and receiver are in her case (at least in this example) both obviously entitled to view/have that information.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

I poorly worded what he did. I was saying that there was political assassination via leaking info and he covered up for it and lied about it. I am saying he tried to cover up for someone that leaked, not that he leaked.

Not that you probably care about reality much. You'll just keep assuming what ever you want.

Actually this is a topic I care deeply about, it impacts me professionally and personally.

Libby committed a felony, and went to jail.
Hillary committed the same felony that Libby lied about someone else committing. She seems to have done it more than a thousand times, and ordered her subordinates to do it as well. She should also go to jail.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

That's not very convincing to me at all

You literally have the email chain of her doing it right in front of you.

Snowden, for example, downloaded a bunch of classified info and handed it over with an encryption key to someone clearly not entitled to view the information. As I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm not familiar with the applicable laws, but it's just nonsense that what Hillary did is equivalent in any meaningful way since the sender and receiver are in her case (at least in this example) both obviously entitled to view/have that information.

Then you should click on the links at the bottom of the OP and self-educate.

Yes. Hillary violated the same laws that Snowden did.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

First off, That's not all that Libby did.

Secondly, Libby was found guilty because there was proof that he did was calculated with malice and forethought, and that he specifically gave away classified information with the intent of it being leaked to the public for political purposes. If it's shown that Hillary leaked info specifically with the intent to undermine the united states or for political purposes like that, then you'd have apples to apples. So far we've just been presented gross negligence.

You can't just make stuff up.

You need to keep up with the news as it's reflected in the OP. You may wish to minimize the truth, but you can't change it to suit yourself or your political ends.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

I look forward to Hillary in shackles being frog marched to federal prison. I seem to remember that was the left's demand for old Scooter.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

You literally have the email chain of her doing it right in front of you.

Then you should click on the links at the bottom of the OP and self-educate.

Yes. Hillary violated the same laws that Snowden did.

The best thing about this all is that absolutely no one gives two rips about this except partisan conservatives.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

The best thing about this all is that absolutely no one gives two rips about this except partisan conservatives.

:shrug: and the FBI, and the people who really truly do care about national security.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Actually this is a topic I care deeply about, it impacts me professionally and personally.

Libby committed a felony, and went to jail.
Hillary committed the same felony that Libby lied about someone else committing.
She seems to have done it more than a thousand times, and ordered her subordinates to do it as well. She should also go to jail.

BULL****!

Period. It's just bull**** dude. If someone deems what she did is worthy of jail time, I'm fine with that. She obviously acted with incredible ignorance. But they aren't the same thing. Intent matters to an incredible extent.

If you handed money to two people to hold on to it for you and one of them goes straight to the casino to gamble it away and one of them tells you "look, I'm sorry, I misplaced it" then your not going to treat those two people the same. That's reality.

Covering up for undeniable and obviously illegal political corruption is not the same as being incredibly stupid with information. At all.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

You need to keep up with the news as it's reflected in the OP. You may wish to minimize the truth, but you can't change it to suit yourself or your political ends.

Blah blah blah. You were wrong about what libby did.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

You literally have the email chain of her doing it right in front of you.

Then you should click on the links at the bottom of the OP and self-educate.

Yes. Hillary violated the same laws that Snowden did.

Yeah, OK, I'll take your word for it, but the violations aren't equivalent in any way that actually matters, which was obviously the point I was trying to make.

I'm doing taxes today and someone who omits interest income of $20 violates the same tax LAWS as someone who intentionally conceals drug trafficking income of $40 million, but any attempt to equate the two is ridiculous.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

Talking points?



Doesn't matter if a burrito menu is classified as "secret" or other classification you can't simply remove "secret" from it and send it non-secure.
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

BULL****!

Period. It's just bull**** dude.

No. It's the law. It's the law that Hillary signed a lifelong contract with the United States Government stating that she recognized, understood, and accepted the consequences if she violated.

If someone deems what she did is worthy of jail time, I'm fine with that. She obviously acted with incredible ignorance. But they aren't the same thing. Intent matters to an incredible extent.

1. Hillary signed a legal document stating that she understood the requirements for handling classified information and had been trained on those requirements. Its' how you get read in. All personnel with security clearances re-up that access training once a year.
2. She literally ordered her subordinate to violate those laws in writing which we now have.

If I sign a court document stating that I understand that the speed limit on my road is 25mph, and then I go out and get 1,000 speeding tickets on that road for going over 25 mph, and then get caught telling other people to ignore the speed limit signs and just go faster than 25 mph, I don't get to claim ignorance as to the speed limit.

3. Libby's defense was the same as Hillary's - that he forgot and screwed up (negligence). For a much less serious crime (perjury).



You are confusing "how much you care about this" with "how important it is".
 
Re: Hillary e-mail instructs aide to transmit classified data without markings

The best thing about this all is that absolutely no one gives two rips about this except partisan conservatives.



sadly..... your annoited queen should be held to the same laws you and I would be held to.
 
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