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Washington: It's now Illegal to Ask a Man What He is Doing in a Women’s Restroom

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US Conservative said:
Even if it was just this fella?

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Yowsa! :shock:

From the look on Mom's face, I wouldn't doubt she's a co-conspirator!
 
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US Conservative said:
Even if it was just this fella?

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I only watched about 3 minutes. 7 kids? :shock:

I have no objection to him being trans; that's his business. What bothers me is his choice in clothing. If he was a 46 year old woman who dressed like that we'd all laugh at her.
 
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FieldTheorist said:
As per my previous post, I doubt that people are going to be flaunting their genitalia around locker rooms. It doesn't really happen prior to this ruling, I don't see why it's suddenly going now. With that said, I think society is a little too obsessed with their children not seeing genitalia of the opposite gender. It's becoming a pretty antiquated tradition, particularly with the internet around.
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I wonder why we keep seeing school age children reject the opposite sex in their locker room? If the students say no to a boy being in the girls locker room maybe the school should respect that and not think one persons wishes trumps everyone one else's.
 
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Henrin said:
Yes, business owners are people and like all other people have a right to associate and speak their mind about things as they see them. I'm sorry that you think that somehow a persons rights stop when he gets involved in business, but they don't.

Of course it is. Furthermore, I am involved in no violent acts by inciting people into something. If they act or if they don't is still entirely on them.
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So segregation: Should it be legal or illegal?

Henrin said:
Also, don't link to bull**** supreme court logic when talking to me because I will just ignore it.
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LOL!
 
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FieldTheorist said:
So segregation: Should it be legal or illegal?
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In the public sector? Illegal.

In the private sector? legal.

Oh and btw, I approve of separate public restrooms. and locker rooms and I'm opposed to shared public restrooms or locker rooms.

LOL!
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Should we go over some of their so called logic over the years? Do you want to start with the Obamacare mandate logic they offered up?
 
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FieldTheorist said:
As per my previous post, I doubt that people are going to be flaunting their genitalia around locker rooms. It doesn't really happen prior to this ruling, I don't see why it's suddenly going now. With that said, I think society is a little too obsessed with their children not seeing genitalia of the opposite gender. It's becoming a pretty antiquated tradition, particularly with the internet around.
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I am not modest however I just don't see any reason or situation my 7 year daughter would be in that it would be appropriate see genitalia of the opposite gender.
 
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Henrin said:
I wonder why we keep seeing school age children reject the opposite sex in their locker room? If the students say no to a boy being in the girls locker room maybe the school should respect that and not think one persons wishes trumps everyone one else's.
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If someone is sexually harassing other people, they get arrested. If they simply don't like the idea that a transgender person is in your locker room who is minding themselves and not causing an issue, I don't really give two ****s if it offends their precious sensibilities.
 
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I worked at a gym in Illinois back in high school/college and there was a transgender woman who used the woman's locker room. My manager knew she was transgender and played a trick on me, brought me upstairs to ask me if I thought she was hot. And she was to be quite honest, couldn't even tell. Then he laughed at me and told me the "secret." I'd be more weirded out seeing her in the men's locker room to be honest.

But I also get the general consensus here and think that there is compromise that could be made. Many public buildings offer unisex restrooms, usually one occupancy. I don't support forcing businesses to have to remodel to fit in unisex bathrooms obviously. So overall I don't know what to say other than that it is a complex issue. Hard for me to really form an opinion on it because I see both sides.
 
Kobie said:
Of course, this is misleading as hell. These are regulations for businesses; they're not jailing random citizens for calling out transgenders in a public restroom. I don't necessarily agree with it (it seems a bit heavy handed), but I know better than to expect a shred of honesty from RedState.
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Sometimes it is wise to see truth no matter who speaks it, even if it is somebody on the opposite political spectrum from yourself. But if you don't like RedState's interpretation of the Washington State law, perhaps you would accept the ACLU interpretation?

Does the law protect a transgender person's right to use the restroom consistent with their gender identity?

It remains somewhat unclear. Under the WLAD, we now have state law that specifically protects against discrimination in employment and places of public accommodation, including public schools, based on one's gender expression or identity. The Washington State Human Rights Commission (HRC) - the agency responsible for enforcing the WLAD - publicly supports the right of transgender individuals to use restrooms consistent with their gender identity.

Additional support for the rights of transgender students in public schools to use restrooms consistent with their gender identity may be found in the Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction (OSPI) guidelines to school districts. These guidelines, which relate to the elimination of discrimination in public schools, state that school districts should allow students to use the restrooms consistent with their gender identity consistently asserted at school. The guidelines also state that any student who has a need or desire for increased privacy should be provided access to an alternative restroom, such as a staff or health office restroom, but that no student should be required to use an alternative restroom just because they are transgender or gender nonconforming. . . .​
https://www.aclu-wa.org/docs/rights-transgender-people-washington-state

All one has to do is look at case law initiated by the ACLU to know that they will support the guy who is singled out for questioning as to why he is in the women's restroom and will argue that question as discrimination against that person. Not much different than racial profiling, etc.
 
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FieldTheorist said:
If someone is sexually harassing other people, they get arrested. If they simply don't like the idea that a transgender person is in your locker room who is minding themselves and not causing an issue, I don't really give two ****s if it offends their precious sensibilities.
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So **** the majority opinion and validate the bull**** claims of the transgender individual. Yeah, that argument sucks.

You don't want the trans person to be uncomfortable, but **** those other kids that are uncomfortable. Nice..
 
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americanwoman said:
I am not modest however I just don't see any reason or situation my 7 year daughter would be in that it would be appropriate see genitalia of the opposite gender.
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Why? Is psychological damage incurred?

Or are you objecting because a very long outdated puritanical cultural custom that says that children need to be "pure" and hear nothing about sexual, sexuality, or reproduction until they're some magical, universally unagreed upon, arbitrary age?
 
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US Conservative said:
Even if it was just this fella?

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tres borrachos said:
I only watched about 3 minutes. 7 kids? :shock:

I have no objection to him being trans; that's his business. What bothers me is his choice in clothing. If he was a 46 year old woman who dressed like that we'd all laugh at her.
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Here's the thing though: Can the next frontier be "age identity"?

If I feel like I'm 9, must you accept me as 9?

Sounds hard to believe, but you never know.

I never saw the sexual blurring coming down the pike (at least to the current extent), and then bam! It's here!
 
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FieldTheorist said:
Why? Is psychological damage incurred?

Or are you objecting because a very long outdated puritanical cultural custom that says that children need to be "pure" and hear nothing about sexual, sexuality, or reproduction until they're some magical, universally unagreed upon, arbitrary age?
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Is there something harmful about her view? If not, why do you think the government has to force a new view on society about it? What makes your view so superior that it somehow warrants government force?
 
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Henrin said:
So **** the majority opinion and validate the bull**** claims of the transgender individual. Yeah, that argument sucks.
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Yes, that sounds like what a cogent, rationally explained, objective assessment of the situation wouldn't sound like, yes.

Henrin said:
You don't want the trans person to be uncomfortable, but **** those other kids that are uncomfortable. Nice..
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Racist white children are uncomfortable around black children. For some bizarre reason, I'm not concerned about what makes those children uncomfortable, either.
 
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Chomsky said:
Here's the thing though: Can the next frontier be "age identity"?

If I feel like I'm 9, must you accept me as 9?

Sounds hard to believe, but you never know.

I never saw the sexual blurring coming down the pike (at least to the current extent), and then bam! It's here!
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If you say you're 9, I'll treat you like you're 9. Then report you to the mods because I don't think 9 year olds can post here.;)

To your point, I agree with you. I can say I'm 14. I can dress like I'm 14. That doesn't make me 14. Nobody with a functioning brain should treat me like I'm 14.
 
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FieldTheorist said:
Yes, that sounds like what a cogent, rationally explained, objective assessment of the situation wouldn't sound like, yes.
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So the opinion of one trumps the opinion of many.

Racist white children are uncomfortable around black children. For some bizarre reason, I'm not concerned about what makes those children uncomfortable, either.
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Because being uncomfortable about race and being uncomfortable changing around someone that you knew as a boy your whole life and is going through an unnatural treatment is comparable. lol.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
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would be funny if it wasn't so sad. this is what liberal thinking eventually leads you to: pure idiocy.

thanks Obama

p.s. here is a link to the actual law as written. http://www.fpiw.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WSR-15-24-071-WAC-162-32.pdf
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And here is where the rubber of reality, hits the road of Amerikan Liberalism's road. The left has one tool, banning, and so they employ it at every "progressive" opportunity; Vancouver city counsel years ago made it illegal to smoke on city property, including parks. Then turned around an allocated millions to hire people with little sticks with grabbers to go around every park every morning to remove the cigarette butts. In other words, no one stopped smoking in parks.

Here, we have social engineering run amok. We are going to change 10,000 years of social adaptation where society created a common usage, with some words on a piece of paper.

Oh, how I would love to be lawyer in Seattle, all those billable hours....for all sides, the state, city, owners, and individuals, hoo boy some people are going to become very wealthy. And for those offended, it will likely be the taxpayer paying the bill
 
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FieldTheorist said:
Why? Is psychological damage incurred?

Or are you objecting because a very long outdated puritanical cultural custom that says that children need to be "pure" and hear nothing about sexual, sexuality, or reproduction until they're some magical, universally unagreed upon, arbitrary age?
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The beauty of the United States is that it isn't a socialist country, and we who are parents still have the luxury of raising our children as we see fit and not as others see fit.
 
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US Conservative said:
You should ask those minorities on college campuses that want segregation.
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Or those members of the Black Congressional Caucus who refuse to let any white members join.
 
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americanwoman said:
Well adults that think they are children or babies are completely different.
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An adult who thinks he's a child is completely different from an adult who thinks they are of the opposite sex?

How exactly?
 
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americanwoman said:
I really have no problem at all but if I am in a locker room with my daughter and someone still has the equipment of the other sex, I'd politely ask them to have the respect to turn around. If they can't or won't respect that, well screw them. I think most people would respect that but some people just have an attitude that they can do whatever and this is in no way limited to transgenders.
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WHAT?

I am sorry, no common sense is allowed in this debate
 
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FieldTheorist said:
Why? Is psychological damage incurred?

Or are you objecting because a very long outdated puritanical cultural custom that says that children need to be "pure" and hear nothing about sexual, sexuality, or reproduction until they're some magical, universally unagreed upon, arbitrary age?
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I do talk to her lightly about sex and reproduction but she is still very innocent and I'd like to keep it that way. Maybe I do like to keep her "pure" but she's my baby and that's what I choose to do. If you want your 7 year old to know everything and anything and be exposed to nudity, that's your option and I respect that, so can you respect mine?
 
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americanwoman said:
Well adults that think they are children or babies are completely different.
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In what way? Don't be showing your anti-transagism phobia. Should that "little girl" be allowed to perpetually attend 1st grade? Interesting question.
 
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