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Clinton fights to reclaim New Hampshire

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"Eight years ago, New Hampshire breathed life back into Hillary Clinton’s ailing presidential campaign after her disastrous third-place finish in Iowa.

This time around, the first-in-the-nation primary state is shaping up to be the tougher early-voting-state battleground — Clinton allies are willing to acknowledge she could lose it to Bernie Sanders, the senator from neighboring Vermont who is currently leading in the polls.


Source: Politico: Clinton fights to reclaim New Hampshire

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Despite the headline, I don't think NH matters.

Mrs. Clinton is solidly ahead in IA. She is killing Bernie in SC.

Being a native son of sorts, along with a very friendly political environment, it would not be unexpected for Bernie to take NH. All I see NH doing is keeping Bernie in the race until he gets crushed in SC.
 
"Eight years ago, New Hampshire breathed life back into Hillary Clinton’s ailing presidential campaign after her disastrous third-place finish in Iowa.

This time around, the first-in-the-nation primary state is shaping up to be the tougher early-voting-state battleground — Clinton allies are willing to acknowledge she could lose it to Bernie Sanders, the senator from neighboring Vermont who is currently leading in the polls.


Source: Politico: Clinton fights to reclaim New Hampshire

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Despite the headline, I don't think NH matters.

Mrs. Clinton is solidly ahead in IA. She is killing Bernie in SC.

Being a native son of sorts, along with a very friendly political environment, it would not be unexpected for Bernie to take NH. All I see NH doing is keeping Bernie in the race until he gets crushed in SC.

When you say crushed in SC are you saying receiving very little votes at all?
 
Being a native son of sorts, along with a very friendly political environment, it would not be unexpected for Bernie to take NH. All I see NH doing is keeping Bernie in the race until he gets crushed in SC.


Maybe. But if he pushes hard in New Hampshire, then he'll get more national coverage --I don't suspect he's getting any coverage in SC right now. The weakest point Hillary has on Sanders is the fact that he's more trustworthy and passionate. If that were to resonate with SC voters, it could flip the state to Sanders.

The problem is, I think a lot of the polling in the DNC primary is very early. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has pushed very, very hard for Sanders to receive no moment in the sunlight, but if he takes New Hampshire, it will give him some time in the sun. What happens at that point is, I think, anybody's guess.

The best odds are always in favor of Hillary, but it's far from a given that she takes the nomination.
 
When you say crushed in SC are you saying receiving very little votes at all?
I'm thinking of him getting beaten very badly, maybe like 2 to 1 or 60/40.
 
Maybe. But if he pushes hard in New Hampshire, then he'll get more national coverage --I don't suspect he's getting any coverage in SC right now. The weakest point Hillary has on Sanders is the fact that he's more trustworthy and passionate. If that were to resonate with SC voters, it could flip the state to Sanders.

The problem is, I think a lot of the polling in the DNC primary is very early. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has pushed very, very hard for Sanders to receive no moment in the sunlight, but if he takes New Hampshire, it will give him some time in the sun. What happens at that point is, I think, anybody's guess.

The best odds are always in favor of Hillary, but it's far from a given that she takes the nomination.
I don't see SC as his crowd, but you may have a point with him being relatively unknown down there.

Here's the current SC numbers, and they're not pretty:

Real Clear Politics: South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary

I do think he has to win NH, or it's all over.
 
"Eight years ago, New Hampshire breathed life back into Hillary Clinton’s ailing presidential campaign after her disastrous third-place finish in Iowa.

This time around, the first-in-the-nation primary state is shaping up to be the tougher early-voting-state battleground — Clinton allies are willing to acknowledge she could lose it to Bernie Sanders, the senator from neighboring Vermont who is currently leading in the polls.


Source: Politico: Clinton fights to reclaim New Hampshire

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Despite the headline, I don't think NH matters.

Mrs. Clinton is solidly ahead in IA. She is killing Bernie in SC.

Being a native son of sorts, along with a very friendly political environment, it would not be unexpected for Bernie to take NH. All I see NH doing is keeping Bernie in the race until he gets crushed in SC.

I think you are right. I think it has more to do with bragging rights, momentum or political hype.
 
I don't see SC as his crowd, but you may have a point with him being relatively unknown down there.

Here's the current SC numbers, and they're not pretty:

Real Clear Politics: South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary

I do think he has to win NH, or it's all over.

I agree on the part him needing to win NH, but SC doesn't strike me as a place that's really in love with Hillary, either.

It's a strange thing, but this election feels different than previous presidential elections. I can almost smell class consciousness in the air. I'm not really sure what's happening, but I think we're really on the brink of either fascism or socialism, and I'm just not sure how the chips will fall. But one thing is for sure: Neo-liberalism is running on borrowed time. Trump and Sanders are, in nearly all senses, the vision of what's to come, it's just up to the American public to choose which path we take.
 
We've got to think positive dude!

Then find an acceptable candidate. When Nixon type sleaze is the preferable way to go for most people it would appear that positive thinking might have gotten in the way.
 
Unless Sanders somehow manages a breakthrough with some demographic currently backing Clinton, there are few successes within his reach beyond New Hampshire. Nationally speaking, New Hampshire and Iowa are two of Sanders' strongest states, and beyond there, the primary is laid with Clinton stronghold after stronghold. New Hampshire is still vital to ensuring that Sanders maintains enough support to stay in the race and further influence Clinton's policies, but I agree with the OP; it's importance regarding who wins the primary is overstated.

Ideally, Sanders should reach out to racial minorities. His numbers among Hispanics and Blacks are poor because his outreach has been poor, and I hope that he can turn the tides in regards to that.

I agree on the part him needing to win NH, but SC doesn't strike me as a place that's really in love with Hillary, either.

It's a strange thing, but this election feels different than previous presidential elections. I can almost smell class consciousness in the air. I'm not really sure what's happening, but I think we're really on the brink of either fascism or socialism, and I'm just not sure how the chips will fall. But one thing is for sure: Neo-liberalism is running on borrowed time. Trump and Sanders are, in nearly all senses, the vision of what's to come, it's just up to the American public to choose which path we take.

As a socialist, I'm glad that neoliberal politics is less and less popular within the Democratic Party, and on the other side of the aisle, it's hilarious to watch Jeb Bush and co. struggle against Trump. However, while Sanders' campaign has been vital for increasing positive perception of socialism among the public, I don't see his campaign as incorporating class consciousness when the majority of his support is upper middle class white democrats. Working class whites are vying for Trump or other Republicans, and Sanders is struggling with working class minorities that tend to favor Clinton.
 
Then find an acceptable candidate. When Nixon type sleaze is the preferable way to go for most people it would appear that positive thinking might have gotten in the way.

Whatever you think of Sanders, he isn't sleaze!!
 
Whatever you think of Sanders, he isn't sleaze!!

Nope. But people seem to think it preferable to him. As understandable as that might be, I do not understand how the Democrats could offer that choice.
 
As a socialist, I'm glad that neoliberal politics is less and less popular within the Democratic Party, and on the other side of the aisle, it's hilarious to watch Jeb Bush and co. struggle against Trump. However, while Sanders' campaign has been vital for increasing positive perception of socialism among the public, I don't see his campaign as incorporating class consciousness when the majority of his support is upper middle class white democrats. Working class whites are vying for Trump or other Republicans, and Sanders is struggling with working class minorities that tend to favor Clinton.

Yeah, but the Democratic establishment is pretty far into this though, they keep on telling blacks that they're looking out for them. But when push comes to shove, there's not a terribly large amount of solid economic policy that comes their way. It's not a mystery why working class whites are for the Republican party, because they pander in the opposite direction to the racist, religious, and/or anti-abortion working class. Class warfare, in other words, has been very effective at creating party lines and drawing them up in such a way that the wealthy always benefit.

The only way socialism will seriously begin in the US, tbh, is if starts in the middle-class and moves downward. There needs to be some economic base supporting it, or it will fail.
 
Nope. But people seem to think it preferable to him. As understandable as that might be, I do not understand how the Democrats could offer that choice.

Don't know what you mean.
 
"Eight years ago, New Hampshire breathed life back into Hillary Clinton’s ailing presidential campaign after her disastrous third-place finish in Iowa.

This time around, the first-in-the-nation primary state is shaping up to be the tougher early-voting-state battleground — Clinton allies are willing to acknowledge she could lose it to Bernie Sanders, the senator from neighboring Vermont who is currently leading in the polls.


Source: Politico: Clinton fights to reclaim New Hampshire

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Despite the headline, I don't think NH matters.

Mrs. Clinton is solidly ahead in IA. She is killing Bernie in SC.

Being a native son of sorts, along with a very friendly political environment, it would not be unexpected for Bernie to take NH. All I see NH doing is keeping Bernie in the race until he gets crushed in SC.

I think that is pretty much how that race is going to go. Hillary loses (barely) one primary "making it a hard fought contested race", and then sails through the rest of her coronation.
 
If it winds up being Clinton against Trump I will have some serious doubts about American Democracy. Surely both sides can do better than that. I am seriously starting to think that not only may there be a third party going for the presidency but a fourth party as well. Especially on the Republican side, if Trump were to win, I can see Trump running on the Republican ticket while a real Republican would be running as a third or fourth party independent.
 
That in spite of her sleaze the folks seem to prefer Clinton.

That's because of her name recognition amongst low information voters which both parties suffer from. ;)
 
If it winds up being Clinton against Trump I will have some serious doubts about American Democracy. Surely both sides can do better than that. I am seriously starting to think that not only may there be a third party going for the presidency but a fourth party as well. Especially on the Republican side, if Trump were to win, I can see Trump running on the Republican ticket while a real Republican would be running as a third or fourth party independent.

Yep!!!!
 
That's because of her name recognition amongst low information voters which both parties suffer from. ;)

It certainly is one major factor for liking the thought of her becoming President.
 
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