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The Two Leading Presidential Candidates -- Clinton And Trump -- Are Both Mocking Free

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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml

Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..." Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away. Her full statement: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating. It’s more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and I’m well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it."

Shut off their means of communicating? These tools are tools that everyone uses -- and, in fact, which Hillary Clinton herself did a tremendous amount of (good) work helping to spread around the globe as Secretary of State. And now she's trying to cut it all off? And over on the other side of things, the leading Republican candidate, Donald Trump, basically said the exact same thing on Monday, just in a more Trump fashion. "We're losing a lot of people because of the internet. We have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people. We have a lot foolish people."

Think about this for a second. You have the two leading Presidential candidates -- one from each party -- each advocating that we shut down entire parts of the internet and censor speech, because bad people can use the internet just like good people. And both of them flat out say that, sure, some people will complain about free speech, but they both dismiss such complaints mockingly with nothing more than a suggestion that you can't take anyone who cries "free speech" seriously.
 
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Anomalism said:
Thoughts?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml

Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..." Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away. Her full statement: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating. It’s more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and I’m well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it."

Shut off their means of communicating? These tools are tools that everyone uses -- and, in fact, which Hillary Clinton herself did a tremendous amount of (good) work helping to spread around the globe as Secretary of State. And now she's trying to cut it all off? And over on the other side of things, the leading Republican candidate, Donald Trump, basically said the exact same thing on Monday, just in a more Trump fashion. "We're losing a lot of people because of the internet. We have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people. We have a lot foolish people."

Think about this for a second. You have the two leading Presidential candidates -- one from each party -- each advocating that we shut down entire parts of the internet and censor speech, because bad people can use the internet just like good people. And both of them flat out say that, sure, some people will complain about free speech, but they both dismiss such complaints mockingly with nothing more than a suggestion that you can't take anyone who cries "free speech" seriously.
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The OP is a little too broad brush.

One of the reasons for Trump's popularity is that he is shredding political correctness. This is why voters, especially those on the left who depend on the free speech oppression of political correctness for self worth and validation, are often taken aback by what he says.

In many of his speeches and comments,Trump is sending the liberating message of being able to speak freely again, sending this message by the manner in which he himself speaks. In effect, he is saying that one need not fear being called all the goofy names Liberals have to take the place of actual argument. Hater, Xenophobe, racist, bigot, moron, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.
 
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That is scary O_O... it's pretty much guaranteed one of them is going to be president..
 
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Ray410 said:
The OP is a little too broad brush.

One of the reasons for Trump's popularity is that he is shredding political correctness. This is why voters, especially those on the left who depend on the speech oppression of political correctness for self worth and validation, are often taken aback by what he says. Even so, he is sending the liberating message of being able to speak freely again out on the airwaves. In effect, he is saying that one need not fear being called all the goofy names Liberals have to take the place of actual argument. Hater, Xenophobe, racist, bigot, moron, etc., etc.
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I like Trump for the sole reason that the media hate him and he challenges it... I love it...

That's where my liking pretty much ends, but it goes a long way...
 
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celticwar17 said:
That is scary O_O... it's pretty much guaranteed one of them is going to be president..
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It is almost unbelievable.
 
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celticwar17 said:
I like Trump for the sole reason that the media hate him and he challenges it... I love it...

That's where my liking pretty much ends, but it goes a long way...
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This is precisely my feeling. I don't think he will make it through to the end simply because I think the 65-75% of Republicans who don't currently choose him will coalesce around some other candidate after Iowa.
 
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Anomalism said:
Thoughts?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml

Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..." Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away. Her full statement: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating. It’s more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and I’m well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it."

Shut off their means of communicating? These tools are tools that everyone uses -- and, in fact, which Hillary Clinton herself did a tremendous amount of (good) work helping to spread around the globe as Secretary of State. And now she's trying to cut it all off? And over on the other side of things, the leading Republican candidate, Donald Trump, basically said the exact same thing on Monday, just in a more Trump fashion. "We're losing a lot of people because of the internet. We have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people. We have a lot foolish people."

Think about this for a second. You have the two leading Presidential candidates -- one from each party -- each advocating that we shut down entire parts of the internet and censor speech, because bad people can use the internet just like good people. And both of them flat out say that, sure, some people will complain about free speech, but they both dismiss such complaints mockingly with nothing more than a suggestion that you can't take anyone who cries "free speech" seriously.
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Yeah, Hillary Clinton is a terrible person, and reading her say things like this is exactly why I won't vote for her in the primaries and I would only vote for her in the national election is she is running up against someone objectively worse. (And knowing the Republicans and the current status of Donald Trump, I may seriously have to.)
 
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FieldTheorist said:
Yeah, Hillary Clinton is a terrible person, and reading her say things like this is exactly why I won't vote for her in the primaries and I would only vote for her in the national election is she is running up against someone objectively worse. (And knowing the Republicans and the current status of Donald Trump, I may seriously have to.)
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You don't have to vote for one of the two main parties.
 
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Henrin said:
You don't have to vote for one of the two main parties.
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Well, let's see, what are the other alternatives? There's the Libertarians, sure. The only problem is that I'm not in denial over the fact that global capitalism is a failed system, and I'm also not in denial over global warming. Additionally, I'm also not in denial of the existence of corporate coercion and the fact that currently its the far larger thread to freedom, and I'm not interested in myopically focusing on government coercion or naive enough to think that if the government were destroyed the threat of corporate coercion would dissipate. It would grow even worse. Who's next? The Green party? It's true, I do like a lot of what the Green party fights for, though I dislike their stance on nuclear energy and I don't support the idea of a party whose central focus is one issue, even if they are right on many issues.

But what I dislike most about them --and every other third party-- is that they have no hope whatsoever in winning, and while they decry the two party system of the US, they have no hope of changing this system. The most impressive thing that the Green party has done in this regard is help George Bush II get into office, and that had disastrous consequences that have still rippled across America. And wishing and wanting it to not be true does nothing to change the facts on the ground.

You have to reform from within the system, or else you have to overthrow the system. I would elect to reform the system with a revolution of voters, like Sanders is trying to do and it's why he has my vote.
 
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I read that as "Chump". :lol:
 
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No matter who the president is this will probably be the answer. Do you really think the other republican candidates, other than Rand, are not going to support these ideas?
 
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Riveroaks said:
Wasted vote if you do NOT vote for one of the two major parties though.
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Why is it a wasted vote?

Why burn your vote away on someone you don't even want?
 
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Riveroaks said:
Wasted vote if you do NOT vote for one of the two major parties though.
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No. A wasted vote is a vote knowing you're still going to be unhappy with your choice. That makes you part of the problem, too many people wasting their votes with this mentality.
 
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radcen said:
No. A wasted vote is a vote knowing you're still going to be unhappy with your choice. That makes you part of the problem, too many people wasting their votes with this mentality.
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The powers that be have invested a lot of effort into brainwashing us into believing that there are only two real options. That lie is a crucial part of maintaining the charade we call politics in the United States.
 
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Anomalism said:
Thoughts?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml

Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..." Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away. Her full statement: "You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating. It’s more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and I’m well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it."

Shut off their means of communicating? These tools are tools that everyone uses -- and, in fact, which Hillary Clinton herself did a tremendous amount of (good) work helping to spread around the globe as Secretary of State. And now she's trying to cut it all off? And over on the other side of things, the leading Republican candidate, Donald Trump, basically said the exact same thing on Monday, just in a more Trump fashion. "We're losing a lot of people because of the internet. We have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people. We have a lot foolish people."

Think about this for a second. You have the two leading Presidential candidates -- one from each party -- each advocating that we shut down entire parts of the internet and censor speech, because bad people can use the internet just like good people. And both of them flat out say that, sure, some people will complain about free speech, but they both dismiss such complaints mockingly with nothing more than a suggestion that you can't take anyone who cries "free speech" seriously.
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I despise Hillary Clinton. What's wrong with America that Trump and Clinton are the front runners??????
 
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celticwar17 said:
That is scary O_O... it's pretty much guaranteed one of them is going to be president..
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You mean Clinton or Sanders?
 
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