• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Homer schools locked down over parent carrying gun

Anomalism

Anomalism

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 2, 2013
Messages
3,237
Reaction score
2,159
Location
Florida
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Left
Did he pick a bad time/place to exercise his rights? Is the school overreacting? Why or why not?

Homer schools locked down over parent with gun

A hard lockdown was ordered Monday in Homer school buildings after a parent came to school with a holstered handgun, officials said. Homer Community School District Superintendent Robert Wright said the parent had brought a gun to school on Friday and was armed again when he returned to the school Monday to discuss Friday's incident. The parent of a student at Lillian Fletcher Elementary School, who Wright declined to identify, came to school Friday to sign in his son,. The man was carrying a gun in a holster. Wright said the parent was questioned by a staff member; the parent asserted "his right to have it there" and he left the school without a confrontation, Wright said.

After the Friday incident, district officials spoke with the Calhoun County Sheriff Department, whose deputies interviewed the parent, "trying to convince him that it's not a good thing -- even though it might be one of his rights, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do," Wright said. On Monday, district officials met with Sheriff Matt Saxton and one of his recommendations was to meet with the parent to reach an understanding. Although the parent was receptive and showed up to the school for the meeting with Wright, he brought a holstered gun again. "And lo and behold, he showed up with his weapon holstered ... it was never out of the holster," Wright said. "And at that point I had to inform him that our protocol is that we go into lockdown just for pure safety of all of our students and staff, and so we went into lockdown at that point."
 
Schools such as that wisely now go into lock-down when someone with a weapon shows up. He probably convinced himself that he was loving the constitution by standing up for his rights, when in reality he was just being a miserable git.

That or he's really afraid of a bad elementary school child with a gun.
 
Mr Person said:
Schools such as that wisely now go into lock-down when someone with a weapon shows up. He probably convinced himself that he was loving the constitution by standing up for his rights, when in reality he was just being a miserable git.

That or he's really afraid of a bad elementary school child with a gun.
Click to expand...
Common sense; A parent minding his own business, no a threat, in fact can help keep the school safe by making it a dangerous place for lunatics out to murder children. As mass shootings always occur where guns are not allowed.

I think I'll go with common sense over wishful thinking like yours.
 
Anomalism said:
Did he pick a bad time/place to exercise his rights? Is the school overreacting? Why or why not?

Homer schools locked down over parent with gun

A hard lockdown was ordered Monday in Homer school buildings after a parent came to school with a holstered handgun, officials said. Homer Community School District Superintendent Robert Wright said the parent had brought a gun to school on Friday and was armed again when he returned to the school Monday to discuss Friday's incident. The parent of a student at Lillian Fletcher Elementary School, who Wright declined to identify, came to school Friday to sign in his son,. The man was carrying a gun in a holster. Wright said the parent was questioned by a staff member; the parent asserted "his right to have it there" and he left the school without a confrontation, Wright said.

After the Friday incident, district officials spoke with the Calhoun County Sheriff Department, whose deputies interviewed the parent, "trying to convince him that it's not a good thing -- even though it might be one of his rights, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do," Wright said. On Monday, district officials met with Sheriff Matt Saxton and one of his recommendations was to meet with the parent to reach an understanding. Although the parent was receptive and showed up to the school for the meeting with Wright, he brought a holstered gun again. "And lo and behold, he showed up with his weapon holstered ... it was never out of the holster," Wright said. "And at that point I had to inform him that our protocol is that we go into lockdown just for pure safety of all of our students and staff, and so we went into lockdown at that point."
Click to expand...

Well, maybe the lockdown was to reinforce their position with Mr. Ignatz. But, frankly, if they have a sign on their entry doors re no guns, they should have called the cops and pressed charges.
 
MaggieD said:
Well, maybe the lockdown was to reinforce their position with Mr. Ignatz. But, frankly, if they have a sign on their entry doors re no guns, they should have called the cops and pressed charges.
Click to expand...

It is a public school and if it is not illegal, what would they arrest him for?
 
Black Dog said:
It is a public school and if it is not illegal, what would they arrest him for?
Click to expand...

They can make it illegal by posting a sign. At least in Illinois they can. No courthouses, public buildings, schools, etc.
 
I think the situation turned out fine on both parts. He has a right to carry a loaded weapon, and the school has a right to go into lock down as protocol when people walk into the school armed.
 
MaggieD said:
They can make it illegal by posting a sign. At least in Illinois they can. No courthouses, public buildings, schools, etc.
Click to expand...

I don't think this was Illinois. Where is " Battle Creek" sounds like it should be in Alabama, lol.
 
Renae said:
Common sense; A parent minding his own business, no a threat, in fact can help keep the school safe by making it a dangerous place for lunatics out to murder children. As mass shootings always occur where guns are not allowed. I think I'll go with common sense over wishful thinking like yours.
Click to expand...

And you can tell as a man walks into a school he is just a concerned parent and not someone bent on harming people/kids?

I'd say the difference between a man bent on killing his wife and kids and one so intent on 'defending' he open carries into a school- (can children make that distinction?)- is the fraction of a second it takes for the guy to present his weapon and start shooting.

HE may know what he is doing, but NO ONE else does. Perhaps he could enroll in the Reserve Deputy program, (show everyone he does mean to be a protector of the weak) and do a bit more to protect the community than cause a flap and fuss.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
And you can tell as a man walks into a school he is just a concerned parent and not someone bent on harming people/kids?

I'd say the difference between a man bent on killing his wife and kids and one so intent on 'defending' he open carries into a school- (can children make that distinction?)- is the fraction of a second it takes for the guy to present his weapon and start shooting.

HE may know what he is doing, but NO ONE else does. Perhaps he could enroll in the Reserve Deputy program, (show everyone he does mean to be a protector of the weak) and do a bit more to protect the community than cause a flap and fuss.... :peace
Click to expand...
We KNOW that "Gun free zones" are places where mass murders have free reign to do as they please so how is ensuring their safety helping keep kids safe?
 
Renae said:
We KNOW that "Gun free zones" are places where mass murders have free reign to do as they please so how is ensuring their safety helping keep kids safe?
Click to expand...

Deflect much??? I'm afraid I don't understand the last half of your run-on sentence. What did you think you said???
 
Renae said:
Common sense; A parent minding his own business, no a threat, in fact can help keep the school safe by making it a dangerous place for lunatics out to murder children. As mass shootings always occur where guns are not allowed. I think I'll go with common sense over wishful thinking like yours.
Click to expand...

It's not "common sense" just because you announce that it is. Why do people think that calling something "common sense" makes it so?


Anyway, the entire premise underlying your post is proven false from the get-go. He wasn't there to sign up to be a security guard and try to make the school safe. He was there to get his name in the paper, so that people would make comments like yours.

If a school needs people to keep it safe, then they should hire trained professionals. Not patrolling wannabe Rambos.



(Nevermind that if your policy is to allow people to carry guns around if they look like they want to keep the place safe, that's how the next mass shooter will get in)
 
Renae said:
We KNOW that "Gun free zones" are places where mass murders have free reign to do as they please so how is ensuring their safety helping keep kids safe?
Click to expand...

How is allowing anyone with a gun who smiles and says they're there to visit their kid making kids safe from mass shootings?
 
notquiteright said:
Deflect much??? I'm afraid I don't understand the last half of your run-on sentence. What did you think you said???
Click to expand...

We KNOW that "Gun free zones" are places where mass murders have free reign to do as they please. So how is ensuring that a place remains a gun free zone helping keep kids safe? Because the crazies LIKE gun free zones, no danger of being stopped.
 
Would we let a Syrian refugee skip all the security clearances if he simply promised he was here with good intentions?
 
Renae said:
Common sense; A parent minding his own business, no a threat, in fact can help keep the school safe by making it a dangerous place for lunatics out to murder children. As mass shootings always occur where guns are not allowed.

I think I'll go with common sense over wishful thinking like yours.
Click to expand...

Can you tell that when they are approaching you?
Can you tell if he is somehow off his mental rocker due to a dispute with the school.
1 mistake, and the slaughter begins.
 
Open carry does nothing for protection. If it can be seen on your person, the bad guys will just shoot you first.
 
JANFU said:
Can you tell that when they are approaching you?
Can you tell if he is somehow off his mental rocker due to a dispute with the school.
1 mistake, and the slaughter begins.
Click to expand...

You, and your fellow fearful friends miss the point.

Where GUNS ARE BANNED, mass shooters flock.

Why do you insist on keeping the area gun free?

Name a mass shooting by a legal gun owner, with their conceal weapon. Name one. Name one where a CHL holder walked into an area where guns were permitted to be carried and started shooting up the place.

Here's a hint, ya'll won't find one. Why, because mass shootings take place where the shooter knows they won't get shot at.

So all this silly hand wringing about "That guy with the gun... he might MIGHT just might start shooting!!!" is absurd non-sense. The safest place to be, is where people are legally, lawfully carrying weapons.
 
Renae said:
We KNOW that "Gun free zones" are places where mass murders have free reign to do as they please. So how is ensuring that a place remains a gun free zone helping keep kids safe? Because the crazies LIKE gun free zones, no danger of being stopped.
Click to expand...

To you, Constitutional rights must be upheld. Yet why would a person be permitted to carry any gun to any school. Weak kneed politicians is why.
Is it because NRA and others like yourself, would rather see this idiot exercising his rights, when common dog tells you a man approaching a school with a gun is a threat.
Now consider if an Officer, armed was present, and a no gun policy was posted, he keeps on approaching stating he is exorcising his constitutional rights. What should the officer do after he draws his weapon and orders the man to stop, and ...... the man refuses. Is he then a threat? What should the officer do?
You logic boat don't float.
 
Anomalism said:
Did he pick a bad time/place to exercise his rights? Is the school overreacting? Why or why not?

Homer schools locked down over parent with gun

A hard lockdown was ordered Monday in Homer school buildings after a parent came to school with a holstered handgun, officials said. Homer Community School District Superintendent Robert Wright said the parent had brought a gun to school on Friday and was armed again when he returned to the school Monday to discuss Friday's incident. The parent of a student at Lillian Fletcher Elementary School, who Wright declined to identify, came to school Friday to sign in his son,. The man was carrying a gun in a holster. Wright said the parent was questioned by a staff member; the parent asserted "his right to have it there" and he left the school without a confrontation, Wright said.

After the Friday incident, district officials spoke with the Calhoun County Sheriff Department, whose deputies interviewed the parent, "trying to convince him that it's not a good thing -- even though it might be one of his rights, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do," Wright said. On Monday, district officials met with Sheriff Matt Saxton and one of his recommendations was to meet with the parent to reach an understanding. Although the parent was receptive and showed up to the school for the meeting with Wright, he brought a holstered gun again. "And lo and behold, he showed up with his weapon holstered ... it was never out of the holster," Wright said. "And at that point I had to inform him that our protocol is that we go into lockdown just for pure safety of all of our students and staff, and so we went into lockdown at that point."
Click to expand...

Dumb and dumber... If you know the school's going to go all stupid on you for just carrying weapon, then use a little common sense and leave it locked in your glove-box. The school shouldn't go all stupid, but since it does, don't do just as stupid just because you can.
 
UtahBill said:
Open carry does nothing for protection. If it can be seen on your person, the bad guys will just shoot you first.
Click to expand...

Michigan law prohibits concealed carry on public school property but permits open carry.

It comes down to the choice of being visibly armed prey or being unarmed prey.

This guy was within his rights.

The school administrators are bed wetting faggots and the local police and sheriff, as would be expected, support any policy that gives them power over citizens (law abiding or otherwise) so they can abuse civil rights with abandon.
 
Renae said:
You, and your fellow fearful friends miss the point.

Where GUNS ARE BANNED, mass shooters flock.

Why do you insist on keeping the area gun free?

Name a mass shooting by a legal gun owner, with their conceal weapon. Name one. Name one where a CHL holder walked into an area where guns were permitted to be carried and started shooting up the place.

Here's a hint, ya'll won't find one. Why, because mass shootings take place where the shooter knows they won't get shot at.

So all this silly hand wringing about "That guy with the gun... he might MIGHT just might start shooting!!!" is absurd non-sense. The safest place to be, is where people are legally, lawfully carrying weapons.
Click to expand...
lets expand on CHL - which is what?????
The Military base in Texas.
The other base where I think 3 were killed.
 
Renae said:
We KNOW that "Gun free zones" are places where mass murders have free reign to do as they please. So how is ensuring that a place remains a gun free zone helping keep kids safe? Because the crazies LIKE gun free zones, no danger of being stopped.
Click to expand...

I'm sure there is a thread of logic to that rather assumptive 'logic'. NO mass murder has had 'free reign' anyplace. Fact is Law Enforcement quickly shuts down these rampages. It is very debatable if there was another weapon somewhere in the school the 'free reign' would end any earlier- especially as the perps are starting to armor up.

While I'm sure every firearm owner here is steely eyed and has ice water in their veins, however so many times the accuracy and fine motor skills drop through the floor boards.

IF there is no danger of a mass murderer being stopped in a GFZ, then how are they stopped?
 
Renae said:
You, and your fellow fearful friends miss the point.

Where GUNS ARE BANNED, mass shooters flock.

Why do you insist on keeping the area gun free?

Name a mass shooting by a legal gun owner, with their conceal weapon. Name one. Name one where a CHL holder walked into an area where guns were permitted to be carried and started shooting up the place.

Here's a hint, ya'll won't find one. Why, because mass shootings take place where the shooter knows they won't get shot at.

So all this silly hand wringing about "That guy with the gun... he might MIGHT just might start shooting!!!" is absurd non-sense. The safest place to be, is where people are legally, lawfully carrying weapons.
Click to expand...

Are you arguing that schools would be safer if they allowed random gun carriers to enter the building at random times!?
 
Renae said:
You, and your fellow fearful friends miss the point.
.
Click to expand...

Meanwhile you're not even responding to the people who are undermining your position.

1. The school administrator is not a mind-reader and therefore cannot tell whether someone - even someone known to them - who approaches with a gun is in fact harmless.

2. Armed guards are the best possible (even if poor) solution if the fear is mass shooters. They are identifiable. Everyone knows their role.

3. Your position that the school should just trust someone who says they mean no harm with their gun = saying we should let in any number of refugees so long as they say they mean no harm = not doing any background checks on would-be gun purchasers, employees, etc. A policy of blindly taking people at their word is lunacy in most situations humans encounter.



Until you can explain why taking people at their word who carry guns to schools is better than any of the alternatives, you aren't making a point.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom