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Texas GOP moves forward with secession

rocket88 said:
Texas GOP Moves Toward Vote On Seceding From Union - The New Civil Rights Movement

"Party of Lincoln?" That creaking sound you hear is Abe turning over in his grave.
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1: Looks like a blog to me so meh.

2: I'll believe it when I see it.

3: Even if they attempt to secede it won't be recognized. The last time States tried to secede it didn't work out too well and SCOTUS determined that no State can secede from the Union by simply declaring it. I'd imagine that the only way to properly do so is via getting it proposed to the Senate and it being voted on there (that SCOTUS case never got into that kind of detail).
 
Kal'Stang said:
1: Looks like a blog to me so meh.

2: I'll believe it when I see it.

3: Even if they attempt to secede it won't be recognized. The last time States tried to secede it didn't work out too well and SCOTUS determined that no State can secede from the Union by simply declaring it. I'd imagine that the only way to properly do so is via getting it proposed to the Senate and it being voted on there (that SCOTUS case never got into that kind of detail).
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To go a step further there is plenty of argument being offered on the ability of a State to secede from the Union. Most seem to agree it would be problematic and very unlikely that any State would be able to do so. Texas may perceive that is has more legal right than other States to do so, but we still have that Constitutional question on ability.

So what we may be stuck with is the idea of this being handled inside of a courtroom vs. handled via a fight. Because of that conclusion then is matters not what vote the Texas legislature comes up with for pure political reasons to rally the State (as odds are that is all this really is.)

To make a real impact in Texas leaving the union we are talking about a matter of complicated fight and perhaps even war, making this even more unlikely. The difference in the State of Texas believing they have a right vs. the Federal Government saying otherwise perhaps putting us on a collision course for actions neither side is really prepared to engage in.
 
I'm going to show may naivete on Texas. Didn't they use to be a highly Democratic state? Where did they turn the corner and become far right wing? What happened? Did they wake up one morning and turn deeply religious?
 
beerftw said:
You are aware texas is one of the three super economies right???? The other two are california and new york. If any of those three left, the great depression would look mild in comparison, it would be nearly one third of the united states major economic capacity leaving.
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Their size isn't the point. Texas trades with the other states now and would in the future. Other states would trade with them. If not it would be Texas with a massive depression because I'm positive the share of Texas' economy that represents sales to the remaining U.S. is FAR larger than the Texas' importance to the overall U.S. economy. Put another way, if Texas leaves what goes with it is about 90% of the major economic capacity. Not the 10% Texas represents or the third that is CA, NY and TX but the 90% of the economy that is the other 49 states.

The only way I can see a clear win for Texas is they could free ride off the U.S. for national defense and probably get by with a small army, no navy etc.

Anyway, it's not happening so no real point entertaining the consequences.
 
beerftw said:
If you somehow think an economic superpower can walk away from the us and its economy would not go into a depression, you probbly need to reread economics.
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And if you think Texas can walk away from the U.S. and not go into an even deeper depression, you probably need to put down the crack pipe...:roll:
 
Traitors.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm going to show may naivete on Texas. Didn't they use to be a highly Democratic state? Where did they turn the corner and become far right wing? What happened? Did they wake up one morning and turn deeply religious?
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The parties switched. The Democrats were once much more conservative than the Republicans.
 
If it passes, the resolution would place a non-binding measure on the primary ballot in favor of secession, and one recent poll suggests that GOP voters would approve it.
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This is all that matters.
 
beerftw said:
It won't go anywhere, The united states needs texas, It's natural recources massive farmland and manufacturing sector would cripple the entire us economy if it left. The federal govt would not allow one of it's three super economies leave.
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Texas needs the US more than the US needs Texas.
 
Astrodome said:
They had better do it now, because by 2016 Texas will be under control of the Democrats....
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Lol !! Ridiculous

Yea just like Wendy Davis and the Democrats were going to turn Texas blue in 2014.

We ( Texas ) actually turned REDDER, adding more GOP seats to the Texas legislator.
 
Astrodome said:
Houston, San Antonio and Dallas all have Democrat mayors......The tide is turning blue very quickly...
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We have a Democrat mayor in Houston for years.

What does having a Democrat mayor have to do with Texas turning Blue ?
 
The bigger cities in any state are often blue.
 
beerftw said:
it would be nearly one third of the united states major economic capacity leaving.
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Texas GDP: $1.65 trillion
USA GDP: $17.42 trillion
 
Fenton said:
We have a Democrat mayor in Houston for years.

What does having a Democrat mayor have to do with Texas turning Blue ?
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Because folks in big cities have been better educated and more informed..............
 
So did the Saturday vote pass, is it going to referendum, or is this attempt number 39 dead in the water.
 
beerftw said:
You are aware texas is one of the three super economies right???? The other two are california and new york.
If any of those three left, the great depression would look mild in comparison, it would be nearly one third of the united states major economic capacity leaving.
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The key word in this sentence is if. Not going to happen.

Wait and see.
 
I guess the question would come up, if Texas seceded would they get back all the territory
they brought to the union?
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It looks like Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, and Colorado, would have to give up some land.
 
Can someone please explain to me again how the idea that liberals and Democrats are anti-American is a conservative narrative, yet conservatives can threaten to secede from the United States on a regular basis?
 
imyoda said:
Because folks in big cities have been better educated and more informed..............
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Well then why are they voting Democrat then ?
 
Somerville said:
Easy peasy --- they know more than the average Republican voter, you know, the type of voter who doesn't understand the correct use of adjectives
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That's just your partisan driven opinion thats not worth the bamdwith you just wasted posting it

If Houston voters are so Liberal why couldn't the Mayor get her HERO ordinance pushed through ?
 
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