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Ted Cruz Calls Alleged Planned Parenthood Shooter 'Transgendered Leftist Activist'

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Ted Cruz has no chance of winning. Stop being silly.
As your claim of zero evidence was false, I would suggest you stop being silly.
 
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Ted Cruz Calls Alleged Planned Parenthood Shooter '''Transgendered Leftist Activist'''



The Gateway Pundit's link leads to a 404 (page not found):

COURT RECORDS: Colorado Planned Parenthood Shooter NOT Republican, Identifies as Woman - The Gateway Pundit

In short, Ted Cruz is repeating a claim from a website that seems to have 0 evidence to prove it. Nice.

The guy doesn't look like the transgender boys I know.
 
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Aw look the lib-tards in the media are worried that Ted Cruz might have a chance of winning so they are going after him.

Do you know anything about Jim Hoft (The stupidest man on the internet)?

His record of being actually correct is lower than the number of wins by the team the Harlem Globetrotters plays.
 
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Do you know anything about Jim Hoft (The stupidest man on the internet)?

His record of being actually correct is lower than the number of wins by the team the Harlem Globetrotters plays.
Well he happened to be correct on what the voter information said.
Now what?
 
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If a far left winger as Hillary Clinton has a chance of winning then so does a conservative like Cruz. If Cruz did not have a chance then he wouldn't be on the lib-tard leftist media radar.

Hillary polls in at 50% of the vote. Ted Cruz has yet to break 15% of the voters in his own party. There simply is no comparison between the two as far as their respective chances are concerned. Good grief, Ted Cruz can't even beat supposed Democrats pretending to be Conservatives like Trump.
 
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Well he happened to be correct on what the voter information said.
Now what?

He conflated a clerical error into a bogus story with absolutely no proof. That is what SMOTI does on a regular basis.
 
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Hillary polls in at 50% of the vote. Ted Cruz has yet to break 15% of the voters in his own party. There simply is no comparison between the two as far as their respective chances are concerned. Good grief, Ted Cruz can't even beat supposed Democrats pretending to be Conservatives like Trump.

If you're talking about their chances in the grand scheme of getting through the primary AND through the general, you're right. Because of the larger field, and larger split within the voting base, of the Republican primary Cruz has significantly less of a chance to reach the white house than Clinton, who is a heavy favorite within a much smaller and less segmented field at the moment.

If you're talking about a chance of winning against each other in the actual general, that's an entirely different story. Based on the RCP average, Clinton has a +1.3 lead on Cruz; hardly an insurmountable lead. Especially when you look at the current trendlines, which has Cruz primarily rising since April while Hillary has been dropping in such a matchup.

Cruz has a significantly smaller chance than Hillary in making it to the presidency from his point at this specific time. However, if the discussion is about a general...which seems to be what Jamesrage is talking about....there is not a significantly different right now between the ability of Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz to take the election (though I'd say it'd still favor Hillary in such a match up due to the nature of the national map at this moment).
 
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If you're talking about their chances in the grand scheme of getting through the primary AND through the general, you're right. Because of the larger field, and larger split within the voting base, of the Republican primary Cruz has significantly less of a chance to reach the white house than Clinton, who is a heavy favorite within a much smaller and less segmented field at the moment.

If you're talking about a chance of winning against each other in the actual general, that's an entirely different story. Based on the RCP average, Clinton has a +1.3 lead on Cruz; hardly an insurmountable lead. Especially when you look at the current trendlines, which has Cruz primarily rising since April while Hillary has been dropping in such a matchup.

Cruz has a significantly smaller chance than Hillary in making it to the presidency from his point at this specific time. However, if the discussion is about a general...which seems to be what Jamesrage is talking about....there is not a significantly different right now between the ability of Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz to take the election (though I'd say it'd still favor Hillary in such a match up due to the nature of the national map at this moment).

So all we're left with is playing claiming that people like Cruz and other no names who managed to get their names in the GOP primaries have a chance just as long as we ignore all of the things that point to them not having a chance. If I had wheels, I'd be a bike.
 
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your hideline: Ted Cruz Calls Alleged Planned Parenthood Shooter '''Transgendered Leftist Activist''
your quote: "Asked if the shooting was an act of domestic terrorism, Cruz declined to draw conclusions.
“I would call it a murder,” he said. “It was a multiple murder of what appears to be a deranged individual. And it was horrific, it was evil and we will find out more about the facts, but I don’t think we should jump to conclusions.”

...Well...which is it?




It's not "terrorism" unless a muslim does it....
 
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It's not "terrorism" unless a muslim does it....

It may very well be an act of terrorism. Once there are actual facts in, we can make that determination. It certainly wouldnt be the first terrorist act perpetrated by a fundamentalist Christian anti-abortionist. All Cruz said (and its rather funny watching the number of people ****ting themselves trying to twist his words to fit THEIR rhetoric) is that at this point in time...we just dont know. It is as silly to claim it was an act of terrorism as it is to claim it was an act perpetrated by a trans-gendered woman (something Cruz did NOT claim...he merely pointed out the folly of both leaps).
 
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So all we're left with is playing claiming that people like Cruz and other no names who managed to get their names in the GOP primaries have a chance just as long as we ignore all of the things that point to them not having a chance. If I had wheels, I'd be a bike.

No, what we're left with is actual analysis as opposed to the sophomoric absolute you threw out earlier. Lets look in terms of the primary and then the General.

Cruz is currently #4 out of a field in double digits with regards to the Republican Primary. He is one of only four that is actually polling in double digits (SOURCE). So as it relates to the polls, he's one of the few that arguably have a solid "chance" as of now. Especially given his trendline is showing an upward movement while Carson's is swinging downward.

Since you're talking about "chance", let's look at Odd's makers. Bovada has Cruz as the third most likely nominee according to Oddsshark. Oddschecker has Cruz again as the 3rd most likely. Same goes for Predict Wise. CNN's prediction market has him as the #2 most likely to get it. At the very least, it appears the predictive market certainly believes he has a "chance".

And let's look at simple logistics. His campaign also has the most cash on hand of any of the Republican front runners. In terms of total money raised, both by the candidates campaign and their PACs, he is again at the top for the four front runners and second only to the floundering Jeb Bush. (SOURCE). Unlike others who's campaigns are cannibalizing themselves, Cruz seemingly has the financial infrastructure to last the long haul which is going to give him at least a reasonable "chance" of getting the nominee.

And as I already pointed out, there's plenty of reasons to believe that he has a legitimate "chance" if we're speaking about the general election. He's currently trailing Hillary by a thin margin in the RCP average for a head to head contest, with his numbers trending upwards while hers are going slightly lower. It's also important to note, when discussing "chances" as it relates to the general, that most candidates see a jump once they're officially announced since there's an inherent nature amongst some poll takers to sandbag an opposing candidate when theirs is still in it. This is present in the post primary jumps by [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html]Romney
and McCain. Clinton has a better favorability rating currently than Cruz (another thing that tends to go up once a clear nominee is found), but also has a significantly worse unfavorable rating. (Souce 1 and 2). Overall, while Democrats have a clear advantage in likely winning the white house this year, it's not an absolute Slam Dunk and the polls simply don't back up your assertion that Cruz has "no chance".

Let's be frank; you stated something filled with stupid hyperbole, got called on it, and now are acting stupidly indignant over the fact. There is no possible way to make a reasoned argument, one based on facts as opposed to partisan blather, that states that Cruz has no chance at either the primary or the general. He's one of the few candidates who one can easily argue has not only a chance, but a better than average chance, of winning the Republican primary. And as it relates to the general, given the multitude of polls and data out as well as looking at recent historical trends regarding Presidential elections, it's asinine to act like any Republican has no chance due to our two party system.

You're wrong. Flatly and clearly. No amount of indignant idiocy about bicycles or any other such thing changes that. Cruz has a legitimate shot at winning the Republican Nominee, and anyone who is the Republican nominee has at least a moderate shot at winning the general.
 
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Hillary polls in at 50% of the vote. Ted Cruz has yet to break 15% of the voters in his own party. There simply is no comparison between the two as far as their respective chances are concerned. Good grief, Ted Cruz can't even beat supposed Democrats pretending to be Conservatives like Trump.

Clinton is a far left wing loony and Cruz has been steadily climbing up in the polls. Trump has not significantly increased.One only has to look at Trump's past comments to see that he is no conservative, he is Mitt ROmney 2.0.
 
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Clinton is a far left wing loony and Cruz has been steadily climbing up in the polls. Trump has not significantly increased.One only has to look at Trump's past comments to see that he is no conservative, he is Mitt ROmney 2.0.

Really difficult to understanding why you consider Clinton "far left" yet keep referring to Ted Cruz as simply "conservative". Is your terming of a "far" wing of an ideology completely pointless, simply there to insult? Or is it actually serious, calling into question your ability to actually reasonably judge the far left and right given your different attention to the two.

Also, it's far more likely that the media is going after Cruz, less because of a "fear" he may win and more due to the fact that his position as a potential front runner in the field means stories about him are likely to generate more traffic.
 
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It may very well be an act of terrorism. Once there are actual facts in, we can make that determination. It certainly wouldnt be the first terrorist act perpetrated by a fundamentalist Christian anti-abortionist. All Cruz said (and its rather funny watching the number of people ****ting themselves trying to twist his words to fit THEIR rhetoric) is that at this point in time...we just dont know. It is as silly to claim it was an act of terrorism as it is to claim it was an act perpetrated by a trans-gendered woman (something Cruz did NOT claim...he merely pointed out the folly of both leaps).

Well, generally terrorism is defined as violence against citizens for political purposes, and if this guy's motive was to punish PP for the lies/distortions told by some Republicans, then it was definitely terrorism. There is evidence that such political aims motivated the shooter.

It irks me that in general, various politicans/media outlets struggle to avoid calling something terrorism if the perpetrator isn't a fundamentalist muslim.

Take another example: Dylan roof. He wrote in his journal that he was going to carry out the attacks specifically to spark a race war. That's the definition of "terrorism" but it was generally commented on as simply being a tragic mass murder. He also was not charged with terrorism.



I know it's a counterfactual without weight, but is there really any reason to doubt that Cruz would call this "terrorism" if it were a muslim who screamed "allah ahkbar!" while gunning people down?
 
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Really difficult to understanding why you consider Clinton "far left" yet keep referring to Ted Cruz as simply "conservative". Is your terming of a "far" wing of an ideology completely pointless, simply there to insult? Or is it actually serious, calling into question your ability to actually reasonably judge the far left and right given your different attention to the two.

Also, it's far more likely that the media is going after Cruz, less because of a "fear" he may win and more due to the fact that his position as a potential front runner in the field means stories about him are likely to generate more traffic.
The only 'media' I really see going after Cruz are the typical far left sites. They pander to their base.

I highly doubt Trump will be the front runner. He has a tendency to jump too far and as soon as he does, more people cringe. I think a lot of people like that he is stirring things up but they will support more balanced solutions from, probably, Cruz or Rubio. The selection of running mate will be very interesting.

Whoever the GOP does put up against Hillary (its already a done deal) will have a few things going for them. Hillary is hugely unlikable. Very few of her supporters today support her with any enthusiasm. That seldom bodes well for anyone during an election. Bernie Sanders has created a 'dare to dream' mentality with some liberals, but when the reality is that all they will have is a corporate and wall street connected politician, they will lose some of that wide eyed college enthusiasm. Her claim of support for women and womens issues is ludicrous. Everyone knows it. If she tries to make it a primary calling card, we have already seen Bills victims lining up to talk about the 'real' Hillary Clinton. The activist component of the black American voting block doesnt have any use for her. They wont vote GOP...but they wont be inspired to vote at all.

At the end of the day, its going to be a pretty ugly election, and we may see 2000 all over again.
 
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Well, generally terrorism is defined as violence against citizens for political purposes, and if this guy's motive was to punish PP for the lies/distortions told by some Republicans, then it was definitely terrorism. There is evidence that such political aims motivated the shooter.

It irks me that in general, various politicans/media outlets struggle to avoid calling something terrorism if the perpetrator isn't a fundamentalist muslim.

Take another example: Dylan roof. He wrote in his journal that he was going to carry out the attacks specifically to spark a race war. That's the definition of "terrorism" but it was generally commented on as simply being a tragic mass murder. He also was not charged with terrorism.



I know it's a counterfactual without weight, but is there really any reason to doubt that Cruz would call this "terrorism" if it were a muslim who screamed "allah ahkbar!" while gunning people down?
If a Muslim screamed Allah Ahkbar and it was shown to be motivated by fundamentlaist ideals, YOU would likely call it terrorism...right?

We have a guy that began shooting outside of the clinic, that never took a shot at a staff member or patient, and muttered one comment that people have jumped to assign to motive. Look...if this guy had stormed his way into PP, made direct statements against abortionists, and started shooting people, there would be little question as to his motive. He didnt. Hell...there are conflicting reports about where the whole conflict started, how, and why. Some claim it happened by a bank. We know his victims were outside. At the end of the day...we just dont know. If it turns out this was a planned targeted attack against planned Parenthood, I will be the first to admit it was a terrorist attack Domestic terrorism is as bad as foreign terrorism. I dont understand the need for people to dodge facts about home grown terror acts, just as I dont understand the desperate need to minimize Muslim fundamentalist terror acts (or any of the violent acts perpetrated in the name of fundamentalist Islam).

Edit: There are also reports that he left propane tanks and a duffle bag by his car in a parking lot. Could be this was him going down in a blaze of glory. Terrorism is a deliberate act with the intent to cause terror to bring about a political goal. If thats what this guy was, then thats what he is and no one should be afraid of labeling it as such.
 
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If a Muslim screamed Allah Ahkbar and it was shown to be motivated by fundamentlaist ideals, YOU would likely call it terrorism...right?

Like Fort Hood? Of course.
 
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Like Fort Hood? Of course.
There ya go. All we need is actual 'criteria' and not just 'agenda'.
 
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Is there really any doubt that the anti-choice position is a conservative one? Liberals, socialists, communists across the world have generally championed abortion rights. The guy also said he didn't want any more of that dealing in baby parts. A claim created by an anti-abortion, right wing, religious group and disproved by quite a few recent investigations from both parties. It's almost like you thought all of this hostile rhetoric against PP would breed anything other than political and psychical attacks.

It's kind of crazy watching right wingers like Carson claim that Syrian refugees should be treated with the same care one takes around dogs while you come on this forum and ask people the right to not be judged based on the actions of a few. All the while, people like Trump, who are running on the right, seem to be hellbent in registering these people under lists that remind pretty much everyone of Stars of David on jackets... and they love to post graphics painting blacks as a horde of white murdering savages. The double speak from right wing voters and right wing voices is VERY strong this year.

Either we judge people based on the actions of a few, or we don't. If we do, well then you have to accept that right wingers tend to attack these places. If we don't, then you're no longer allowed to encourage the discrimination of large groups based on the actions of a select few. Also, before you answer, how do you feel about racial profiling?


Is pro-life conservative? We are 40 years into Roe-v-Wade. I think pro-abortion counts as the conservative stance at this point.

Also, "Right wing" has nothing to do with abortion.

I'm the bleeding heart liberal trying to liberate the innocent from death row.
 
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He conflated a clerical error into a bogus story with absolutely no proof.
iLOL
Where is your "proof" that it is a clerical error?

Regardless, he was correct that he is listed as a female. That was the point.
 
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iLOL
Where is your "proof" that it is a clerical error?

Regardless, he was correct that he is listed as a female. That was the point.

You have no proof that he deliberately listed himself as a female. And dim Jim Hoft created an entire story out of thin air. That is what SMOTI does.
 
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That's kind of the point. It's absolutely amazing watching the right complain that the actions of a few crazies in the anti-PP ranks should not be used to define the rest of the group. i've never laughed so hard at the blatant hypocrisy after the collective slander of Mexicans, Syrian refugees, blacks etc for political purposes by the right. Some guy shoots 16 people in NOLA? Yeah, better use that to pass judgement on what the black community believes. Make Islam into a problematic religion whenever it's convenient. Call the people sent by Mexico rapists and murderers. Call anti-abortion terrorism out for what it is? No! We can't do that.

The entire thing is pretty see through.

well done.... now lets see you address the hypocrisy of the left... and your own blatant hypocrisy, while your'e at it.
 
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Is pro-life conservative? We are 40 years into Roe-v-Wade. I think pro-abortion counts as the conservative stance at this point.

When you post dishonest tripe like the above, people stop taking you seriously. Mostly because you can't even say it without using the rhetoric of these groups to separate themselves from the other. There is no such thing as pro-abortion. There are only pro-choice and anti-choice. Nobody is in favor of people getting abortions. People are in favor of others having the option to it. What they pick ultimately doesn't matter.

What matters is that they have the choice That said, you're seriously stating that pro-abortion is the conservative stance? That must be why not a single one of the people running for the GOP is pro-choice and those that have ever come close to being pro-choice, did it while they were self declared Democrats (Trump). Are you being serious?
 
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