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Obama: Syrian refugees just like pilgrims of the Mayflower

Kobie said:
And that, to me, is a bad thing.

People legitimately fleeing war and destruction should not be looked on with "fear and loathing." That's a sickening attitude.
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Look at all the able bodied men among the masses of refugees? Why aren't they staying behind to fight for their homeland?

Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia and any other country that borders the Persian Gulf has not taken one of these refugees who are overwhelmingly Muslims. Not to mention these countries are very wealthy. Why don't they want them? Saudi Arabia has a huge number of air conditioned tents on hand that they only use once a year for the pilgrims traveling to Mecca. They could house thousands immediately. But instead they offered to build new mosques for these Muslims in Europe. How about instead of new mosques why not put the money into extra tents?
 
vesper said:
Look at all the able bodied men among the masses of refugees? Why aren't they staying behind to fight for their homeland?
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Because for a lot of these people, their "homeland" is not their "homeland." The Middle East was carved up and handed over to the powers that be after the Ottoman Empire went tits up, with little regard to whether the groups living in these new countries could get along.

Kurds don't care about Iraq, they care about Kurds. Sunnis don't care about whatever "country" they control, they care about Sunnis. Same for Shiites, Sufis, or whatever branch of Islam or whatever particular ethnicity or party (like the Ba'athists) you wish you choose.

vesper said:
Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia and any other country that borders the Persian Gulf has not taken one of these refugees who are overwhelmingly Muslims. Not to mention these countries are very wealthy. Why don't they want them? Saudi Arabia has a huge number of air conditioned tents on hand that they only use once a year for the pilgrims traveling to Mecca. They could house thousands immediately. But instead they offered to build new mosques for these Muslims in Europe. How about instead of new mosques why not put the money into extra tents?
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You're absolutely right about that; however, we can't make them do it. The states who have room yet don't take in the people who need to be taken in are reprehensible, but that's pretty much their MO.
 
vesper said:
Look at all the able bodied men among the masses of refugees? Why aren't they staying behind to fight for their homeland?

Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia and any other country that borders the Persian Gulf has not taken one of these refugees who are overwhelmingly Muslims. Not to mention these countries are very wealthy. Why don't they want them? Saudi Arabia has a huge number of air conditioned tents on hand that they only use once a year for the pilgrims traveling to Mecca. They could house thousands immediately. But instead they offered to build new mosques for these Muslims in Europe. How about instead of new mosques why not put the money into extra tents?
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Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

Good point! It's apparent they understand their "breathen" better than we do! :shock:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

Good point! It's apparent they understand their "breathen" better than we do! :shock:
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There's a good article by Andrew McCarthy at National Review today.

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He brings up a good point about the vetting process of refugees from Muslim countries. We should be asking them if they adhere to Sharia because Sharia is in direct conflict with our Constitution. If these people hold such beliefs then it is impossible for them to assimilate into our society.

What happens in France happens in Belgium. It happens in Sweden where much of Malmo, the third largest city, is controlled by Muslim immigrant gangs — emergency medical personnel attacked routinely enough that they will not respond to calls without police protection, and the police in turn unwilling to enter without back-up. Not long ago in Britain, a soldier was killed and nearly beheaded in broad daylight by jihadists known to the intelligence services; dozens of sharia courts now operate throughout the country, even as Muslim activists demand more accommodations. And it was in Germany, which green-lighted Europe’s ongoing influx of Muslim migrants, that Turkey’s Islamist strongman Recep Tayyip Erdogan proclaimed that pressuring Muslims to assimilate in their new Western countries is “a crime against humanity.”
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You can read what Turkey's PM said here.

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If these refugees have the same mindset as Turkey's PM there is nothing but trouble ahead for Europe and the U.S.
 
VanceMack said:
So...we can sign YOU up for the peace brigade too then? YOU honestly believe that would work with them?

Go. Have someone else film it...I dont think you will be able to. Make sure they send LOTS of pictures.

You do know better...right?
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I believe in Jesus. Apparently you don't.

Personally, I think we should just declare war on daesh and invade them. Bring the hand of God down on them. But then, I ain't Jesus Christ.
 
rocket88 said:
I believe in Jesus. Apparently you don't.

Personally, I think we should just declare war on daesh and invade them. Bring the hand of God down on them. But then, I ain't Jesus Christ.
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So...giving them hugs...that wouldnt do it? But surely they will just stop. right? maybe if we send them a box of chocolates? Tell them we are sorry?
 
Saucey said:
Who would want the liability of a Middle East country? It'd be like a crappy version of Arizona lol
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Like it or not, we are presently liable for Iraq, Libya and Syria.
 
ocean515 said:
Gee Kobie, thanks. I didn't know that. No wait.....

"This is the oath that "immigrants" seeking citizenship to the United States are required to swear to. "​

Dang, what's up with the Socialist Progressive Brigade today? Too much Turkey? To many Colorado Brownies? The mental disconnect is remarkable.
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Not every immigrant seeks citizenship so I am trying to figure out what your point is since it only applies to people seeking citizenship. It doesn't even apply to the post you were rebutting. Maybe I missed something here.
 
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What a loathsome disgrace to this country this damned liar B. Hussein Obama is. If jihadists have insinuated themselves into these thousands of people he has pushed so hard to import, and they murder Americans, no one should forget that this un-American son of a bitch helped them come here to commit their war crimes.
 
joG said:
Syrien refugees are like the others.
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No. Other refugees came on their own. We are going to get the Syrians. Not at all like the others.
 
vesper said:
There's a good article by Andrew McCarthy at National Review today.

National Review Online | Print

He brings up a good point about the vetting process of refugees from Muslim countries. We should be asking them if they adhere to Sharia because Sharia is in direct conflict with our Constitution. If these people hold such beliefs then it is impossible for them to assimilate into our society.



You can read what Turkey's PM said here.

.:Middle East Online:::.

If these refugees have the same mindset as Turkey's PM there is nothing but trouble ahead for Europe and the U.S.
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That's like asking Christians if they follow biblical law, because biblical law contradicts the constitution.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

Good point! It's apparent they understand their "breathen" better than we do! :shock:
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Yep. I keep saying that these gulf nations know something that we don't.
 
The Pilgrims hung black people so look out black America the Syrians are coming for you now.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Not every immigrant seeks citizenship so I am trying to figure out what your point is since it only applies to people seeking citizenship. It doesn't even apply to the post you were rebutting. Maybe I missed something here.
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Not every immigrant seeks citizenship? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with immigration laws. To qualify for a permanent resident green card, an immigrant must have a very close relative who is a citizen or permanent resident, and must wait for one to be available.

If they can't get a perm res green card, they can't stay indefinitely in the US.

How can I live and work in the United States?

That means unless they meet the criteria for EB cards, the only way most will be able to stay here is to become citizens, or through some obscure asylum BS that will be invented for them.

Regardless, the point of posting the Oath was to show what standards are expected from people who want to call the US home as citizens of the United States. Obviously, some people don't think it's important for people living permanently in the US to be of similar mind when it comes to the principles and philosophy of government our Founding Fathers fought and died for.
 
Chainsaw said:
Obama: Syrian refugees are like pilgrims on the Mayflower | TheHill

You mean, they conquered the land they invaded? Ask the native americans how that worked out

I think Obama just told the truth for the first time
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Jeez...will this ridiculous, nonsensical, paranoia over a few desperate people ever cease?

We fear what we do not understand.

And the ignorant do not understand a LOT.
 
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ocean515 said:
Not every immigrant seeks citizenship? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with immigration laws. To qualify for a permanent resident green card, an immigrant must have a very close relative who is a citizen or permanent resident, and must wait for one to be available.

If they can't get a perm res green card, they can't stay indefinitely in the US.

How can I live and work in the United States?

That means unless they meet the criteria for EB cards, the only way most will be able to stay here is to become citizens, or through some obscure asylum BS that will be invented for them.
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This addresses the requirements:
I didn't see anywhere that the person wanting the visa WAS REQUIRED to apply for citizenship or intend to apply for citizenship. They just have to have a close friend or relative that is a citizen.
To qualify for a family sponsored green card, you must have a very close relative who is a U.S. citizen or permanent resident (green card holder). Husbands and wives of U.S. citizens, parents of U.S. citizens, and children under the age of 21 of U.S. citizens (including step children) have top priority and can qualify for a green card relatively quickly.
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This is about opinion which you are entitled to. I have no opinion and am talking only about the law:
Regardless, the point of posting the Oath was to show what standards are expected from people who want to call the US home as citizens of the United States. Obviously, some people don't think it's important for people living permanently in the US to be of similar mind when it comes to the principles and philosophy of government our Founding Fathers fought and died for.
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ocean515 said:
Not every immigrant seeks citizenship? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with immigration laws. To qualify for a permanent resident green card, an immigrant must have a very close relative who is a citizen or permanent resident, and must wait for one to be available.

If they can't get a perm res green card, they can't stay indefinitely in the US.

How can I live and work in the United States?

That means unless they meet the criteria for EB cards, the only way most will be able to stay here is to become citizens, or through some obscure asylum BS that will be invented for them.

Regardless, the point of posting the Oath was to show what standards are expected from people who want to call the US home as citizens of the United States. Obviously, some people don't think it's important for people living permanently in the US to be of similar mind when it comes to the principles and philosophy of government our Founding Fathers fought and died for.
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Many legal residents in the US simply have a green card and live permanently without issue. You don't have to apply for citizenship if you don't wish to. That's his point, as not every immigrant seeks citizenship.
 
joG said:
Syrien refugees are like the others. Most of them were in danger of losing their lives at home and had to leave. On average they are well educated and very often of secular belief. So, if you screen well and select carefully, they would probably be a boon to the country.
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Where do you get that they are well educated?
 
matchlight said:
What a loathsome disgrace to this country this damned liar B. Hussein Obama is. If jihadists have insinuated themselves into these thousands of people he has pushed so hard to import, and they murder Americans, no one should forget that this un-American son of a bitch helped them come here to commit their war crimes.
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The left will find a way to blame Bush.
 
Mason66 said:
The left will find a way to blame Bush.
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The more they try that tired ruse, the less credible they become--if that's possible. I don't think many intelligent people find leftism very persuasive. It is largely a feel-good quasi-religion for the dim and ignorant members of the lumpenproletariat. The motto of these grasping hordes should be, "Ask not what you can do for your country--ask what your country can do for you."

The Muslim-in-Chief had better hope to God the lice he is surely helping enter this country don't stage another Paris here, or maybe something even worse. But I'm probably overstating the threat. After all, when it comes to Muslims, B. Hussein is in with the in crowd--they know he feels them, so they wouldn't hassle a kindred spirit. He will probably make all this Syrian stuff come out just fine, no worries. Just look at how skilfully he has advanced U.S. interests all around the world during his first seven years!
 
matchlight said:
The more they try that tired ruse, the less credible they become--if that's possible. I don't think many intelligent people find leftism very persuasive. It is largely a feel-good quasi-religion for the dim and ignorant members of the lumpenproletariat. The motto of these grasping hordes should be, "Ask not what you can do for your country--ask what your country can do for you."

The Muslim-in-Chief had better hope to God the lice he is surely helping enter this country don't stage another Paris here, or maybe something even worse. But I'm probably overstating the threat. After all, when it comes to Muslims, B. Hussein is in with the in crowd--they know he feels them, so they wouldn't hassle a kindred spirit. He will probably make all this Syrian stuff come out just fine, no worries. Just look at how skilfully he has advanced U.S. interests all around the world during his first seven years!
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Do you understand exactly how nonsensical you sound right now?
 
Mason66 said:
Where do you get that they are well educated?
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A freind of mine was down their with GTZ and latter on Blair's team. In his observation the middle class was well educated and widely indifferent to religion or quite tolerant. As the people coming out are paying large amounts of money to people that help them circumvent the law of the countries they enter, we are talking middle class.
 
NonoBadDog said:
This addresses the requirements:
I didn't see anywhere that the person wanting the visa WAS REQUIRED to apply for citizenship or intend to apply for citizenship. They just have to have a close friend or relative that is a citizen.


This is about opinion which you are entitled to. I have no opinion and am talking only about the law:
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The rules don't recognize a close friend as being someone who can sponsor a foreigner. Only family, or close relative.

The point is, if a foreigner wants to live indefinitely in the United States, the only way to do so is in the information I provided a link to. Unless they apply to become citizens, they can't stay indefinitely, according to the information I provided.

Do you think refugees from "Syria" have family or close relatives in the US? Perhaps some do, but we don't even know the criteria involved in selecting them.
 
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