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Some Families Living in Philly Public Housing Earn Over $100K

Deuce said:
OR, we can admit that the problem isn't as simple and easy as you believe.

"Let's just give only the needed help to only people who really need it. BAM! No fraud ever!"
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There is no fraud (or any other criminal activity) going on here. The people are not hiding their income (which is why we know their income) nor are the breaking any law.
 
Mycroft said:
You...as a business owner...certainly can, but it's your choice. The public sector, since we are talking about something that is taxpayer funded, should be held to a higher standard.
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A standard of perfection. Ok, maybe you think government can be perfect, but I think that's a bit unreasonable.
 
Deuce said:
A standard of perfection. Ok, maybe you think government can be perfect, but I think that's a bit unreasonable.
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What is unreasonable is to excuse and to accept a failure to achieve perfection.
 
Oh pity the homeless
 
The cost of welfare fraud is very substantial and can be found in every state in every program. It is a big drain on every state budget. It is not only a fiscal crime but a moral one as these people take from limited funds leaving those most needy vulnerable. Every dollar a fraudster undeservingly takes is a dollar less for those who truly need it.

A better screening of applicants at the state level would help with shorter time limits one can draw these benefits and re-determine if they are actually eligible. And if anyone is found scamming the system, how about they be prosecuted and their name placed in a national database where they are no longer eligible for any form of welfare. Maybe that would deter fraudsters.
 
reinoe said:
Just out of curiosity...do you feel this way about millionaires who collect medicaid?
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pretty much. public assistance should be for people that need it. not that don't.
 
So... roughly 0.2% of these families make over 100k?


This fails to upset me.
 
BrewerBob said:
Doesn't sound like a large scale problem. But still, if thre is a waiting list of families in need I can see why this would anger some people.

But what is the magic dolalr amount? At what point upon receiving that raise are you evicted from your home?
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You hit a nail on the head there. Welfare cliffs, where additional earnings result in the loss of support and net loss of total income and standard of living, are unfortunately present in our current, stupid, social-support structures, where they actively discourage (and punish) increasing ones' position. :(
 
cpwill said:
You hit a nail on the head there. Welfare cliffs, where additional earnings result in the loss of support and net loss of total income and standard of living, are unfortunately present in our current, stupid, social-support structures, where they actively discourage (and punish) increasing ones' position. :(
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Yep. I'm not sure what the solution is, though. Tax brackets have similar problems. I remember when my mom got a raise that was effectively a pay cut because it JUST put her into the next tax bracket and the increase in salary didn't make up for the tax increase.
 
BrewerBob said:
Yep. I'm not sure what the solution is, though. Tax brackets have similar problems. I remember when my mom got a raise that was effectively a pay cut because it JUST put her into the next tax bracket and the increase in salary didn't make up for the tax increase.
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My proposed to solution is to consolidate and then streamline public benefits into direct income support in order to allow for a steady drop off rate that never goes above 50% of the next dollar earned. Even those folks who don't get effective pay cuts like your mother often face effective tax rates of 80% due to the loss of public support. :( Additionally, we'd probably be wise to delay the cut-off by a month or so, in order to provide a bonus to further incentivize folks.
 
BrewerBob said:
Yep. I'm not sure what the solution is, though. Tax brackets have similar problems. I remember when my mom got a raise that was effectively a pay cut because it JUST put her into the next tax bracket and the increase in salary didn't make up for the tax increase.
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That's not true. The increase in tax rates apply only to the income above.

Making up #'s here for an example

If the tax rate for income from $20-$30K is 10% and the rate for income from $30K to $40K is 15%, you don't pay 15% on all of your income if you make more than $30K. You only pay the 15% on the amount that is greater than $30K (and less than $40K)
 
sangha said:
That's not true. The increase in tax rates apply only to the income above.

Making up #'s here for an example

If the tax rate for income from $20-$30K is 10% and the rate for income from $30K to $40K is 15%, you don't pay 15% on all of your income if you make more than $30K. You only pay the 15% on the amount that is greater than $30K (and less than $40K)
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How long has that been the case? This memory is from more than 20 years ago. Either my mom was wrong or I am misremembering. And seeing as how she was a CPA, it is likely the latter. :)
 
BrewerBob said:
How long has that been the case? This memory is from more than 20 years ago. Either my mom was wrong or I am misremembering. And seeing as how she was a CPA, it is likely the latter. :)
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That's how it's always been (My dad worked for the IRS. He was also a CPA)

That's why it's referred to as the Marginal Tax Rate

The amount of tax paid on an additional dollar of income.
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Grim17 said:
What I found really shocking was how the CEO of the Philly housing authority reacted to the questions by the reporter. He seems to believe that families earning over 100k living in public housing is just fine and dandy. He said “We want those families in public housing frankly because they pay more in rent,”


I'm a bit speechless here.




Some Families Living in Philly Public Housing Earn Over $100K | NBC 10 Philadelphia[/FONT][/COLOR]
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The welfare mentality nut does fall far from the big gov welfare tree. It is ingrained into the family DNA for generations. Just like LBJ said after he passed the Great Society; "I'll have those n*##@#s voting for democrats for the next 200 years". Sadly and to the detriment of the black community, he was right.
 
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