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Britain can be a stronger ally for America if it leaves the EU

Phoenix One UK said:
The SNP would push for exit from UK anyway. They already tried recently, and UK is member. So saying they would breakup the UK if that happens means nothing, and it is not for them to say anyway. I noted the Scots are also becoming more Eurosceptic of late, and SNP are not as popular as they were at 2015 GE. Still better than any other party in Scotland, but not as good as they once were.
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Not as popular as way back in 2015? Waaaahahaha!
 
Heinrich said:
The EU made no such statement but the English politicians did and one other politician, Mariano Rajoy who is petrified that Canalonia will declare independence from Spain.
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Have to disagree with you there.

Scottish independence: Barroso says joining EU would be 'difficult'

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union

Scottish independence: Barroso says joining EU would be 'difficult' - BBC News
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The link is to BBC, which has always shown itself to be pro EU.
 
Higgins86 said:
It would be 'extremely difficult' for independent Scotland to join EU, says European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Plenty of other examples of this as well. EU member states were worried about the repercussions it would have in their own countries, for example Brittany and catalonia
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Barosso???
This has no standing. What is he up to these days, by the way?
The irony of English politicians attempting to scare the Scots with being locked out of the European Union and now they will be forcing the Scots to leave is mind-boggling.
 
Heinrich said:
Barosso???
This has no standing. What is he up to these days, by the way?
The irony of English politicians attempting to scare the Scots with being locked out of the European Union and now they will be forcing the Scots to leave is mind-boggling.
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Are you saying Juncker has no standing?

PS: Look at the date of BBC article.
 
Heinrich said:
Barosso???
This has no standing. What is he up to these days, by the way?
The irony of English politicians attempting to scare the Scots with being locked out of the European Union and now they will be forcing the Scots to leave is mind-boggling.
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Well at the time he had a lot of standing and you just claimed one other politician said this and I just gave you another. The SNP also hedged their bets on the EURO and when that went down the pan they came up with a shared currency with us which was not approved by the BOE. To put it bluntly the SNP shot itself in the foot and the no campaign pounced.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Are you saying Juncker has no standing?
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It was an opinion of has-been Barroso. Nothing more. And it does not change the nature of the scare tactic to keep the Scots under England or else they might have some problem. Now the English want to force the Scots to leave anyway. What a shower!
 
Phoenix One UK said:
The moment I saw this one, I thought about all you posters here, and would be certainly interested in your views on issue. So, what do you think?
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I believe that the UK thinks that their survival economically is tied to the EU. Whether or not this is the truth, I do not know. It's the trend with all Western nations to have a large and bureaucratic organization as government, and then if that isnt enough, join another large bureaucratic organization like the EU and UN. I believe with all of this the "common citizen" of any of these Western countries are losing their identity and freedom and being replaced as just a headcount in the large oligarchies that make up Western society today. We have been on this trend ever since the end of ww2 and its only getting worse.
 
Higgins86 said:
Well at the time he had a lot of standing and you just claimed one other politician said this and I just gave you another. The SNP also hedged their bets on the EURO and when that went down the pan they came up with a shared currency with us which was not approved by the BOE. To put it bluntly the SNP shot itself in the foot and the no campaign pounced.
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Barroso gave a personal opinion that it might not be simple for Scotland to remain in the European Union. It was of no substance. He was backing-up the English main parties. He was an EU functionary. The only elected politician who supported the English was Mariano Rajoy and we all know why.
 
Heinrich said:
Barroso gave a personal opinion that it might not be simple for Scotland to remain in the European Union. It was of no substance. He was backing-up the English main parties. He was an EU functionary. The only elected politician who supported the English was Mariano Rajoy and we all know why.
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I believe he also mentioned the word impossible, or did you miss that bit!
 
Heinrich said:
Barroso gave a personal opinion that it might not be simple for Scotland to remain in the European Union. It was of no substance. He was backing-up the English main parties. He was an EU functionary. The only elected politician who supported the English was Mariano Rajoy and we all know why.
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Give me and example of any show of support for Scotland from elected politicians?
 
Higgins86 said:
Give me and example of any show of support for Scotland from elected politicians?
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All the politicians except for the English and Mariano Rajoy kept their lips buttoned which was the right thing to do.
 
Saucey said:
I believe that the UK thinks that their survival economically is tied to the EU. Whether or not this is the truth, I do not know. It's the trend with all Western nations to have a large and bureaucratic organization as government, and then if that isnt enough, join another large bureaucratic organization like the EU and UN. I believe with all of this the "common citizen" of any of these Western countries are losing their identity and freedom and being replaced as just a headcount in the large oligarchies that make up Western society today. We have been on this trend ever since the end of ww2 and its only getting worse.
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Thank you, another American. You raised a valid point, and there is a counter to it, one being Iceland. It has a small population, is not a member of any large block, and managed to make its own trade deal with China. The counter being, if Iceland can do it, why can't the UK?

Iceland first European country to sign free trade agreement with China - Telegraph
 
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Heinrich said:
All the politicians except for the English and Mariano Rajoy kept their lips buttoned which was the right thing to do.
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What's that old saying? Silence is golden. If the EU had supported it they would of backed the SNP.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Thank you, another American. You raised a valid point, and there is a counter to it, one being Iceland. It has a small population, is not a member of any large block, and managed to make its own trade deal with China. The counter being, if Iceland can do it, why can't the UK?
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If I were a citizen of the UK I would vote to NOT be a member of the EU. And yes Iceland is isolated from the rest of Europe and I bet they feel isolated in more ways than just geographically, probably another reason they didnt join the EU. Good for them. They probably knew that they would never have a voice there anyway. An organization predominantly controlled by socialist in France and Germany.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Thank you, another American. You raised a valid point, and there is a counter to it, one being Iceland. It has a small population, is not a member of any large block, and managed to make its own trade deal with China. The counter being, if Iceland can do it, why can't the UK?
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We are getting very close, the amount of money China are pouring into the UK is unprecedented
 
Saucey said:
If I were a citizen of the UK I would vote to NOT be a member of the EU. And yes Iceland is isolated from the rest of Europe and I bet they feel isolated in more ways than just geographically, probably another reason they didnt join the EU. Good for them. They probably knew that they would never have a voice there anyway. An organization predominantly controlled by socialist in France and Germany.
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They seem to be doing OK, and contrary to common belief there was one member who did break away, though that was while the EU was still the EEC. That country being Greenland.
 
Chagos said:
Thanks.

I was in Paris til Thursday late. Scheduled to go there anyway but not for another 3 weeks but I pulled the schedule forward.

Not all well there at all although immediate friends not affected. But the sister of the BF of one of my friends' daughters is among the lost.

The city unrecognisable, never ever encountered such an atmosphere there. Eerie.
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I'm very sorry to hear that. :(

All the best to you and your family. My thoughts are with you.
 
Higgins86 said:
What's that old saying? Silence is golden. If the EU had supported it they would of backed the SNP.
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The EU does not have a voice on such matters. The Council of Ministers let Cameron stew in his own juices and the Commission takes its orders from the Council. The Parliament has no mechanism for even making a comment. What is certain is that the Scottish will not stand-by and allow the English to drag them out of the Union without putting-up a fight.
 
Heinrich said:
The EU does not have a voice on such matters. The Council of Ministers let Cameron stew in his own juices and the Commission takes its orders from the Council. The Parliament has no mechanism for even making a comment. What is certain is that the Scottish will not stand-by and allow the English to drag them out of the Union without putting-up a fight.
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We'll see. Too be honest I would be more than happy to see Scotland leave, the amount of power the SNP holds considering the population of Scotland is absurd.
 
US to leaving the Anglosphere and heading to the Hispanic community. Or something. Britain should stay in Europe. It would be nice if the US would ask to join the British Commonwealth but highly unlikely. Even if we did, the Commonwealth would reject us.
 
PeteEU said:
Better to have 1/28th of the say, than none at all like the Swiss and Norwegians. Plus the UK could have far more influence than say Denmark if it was not for the fact that the UK often acts like a spoilt child. I have yet to see any specific proposal coming out of the UK to "fix the EU" that does not involve nationalistic bull**** and xenophobic craziness.



And Germany has 20+ million more people than the UK.. so no wonder they have more MEPs. Plus MEPs dont vote like their member state.. quite the opposite often. Also it is not the fault of the EU that the Brits elect MEPS that are against the EU (and yet have no problem spending millions of taxpayer money on themselves.. ), and whos only goal is to sabotage and destroy the workings of the EU.
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discussing an argument against the EU with you, is akin to telling Mao the great famine existed. Moreover, your continued vitriol of the UK is as putrid as ever.
 
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