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NThe truth emerges: Here’s how the US fueled the rise of ISIS in Syria and Iraq

Risky Thicket

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The sectarian terror group won’t be defeated by the western states that incubated it in the first place

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.
The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.
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If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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Risky Thicket said:
If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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It's has to be near the time where the USA pulls their collective head out of the rectum and allies with Russia and Iran and puts a world of hurt on this ISIS problem. Follow the money and just like your article about the Britain deal, you'll find the USA Intelligence Agencies up to their eyeballs in the terrorist swamp. I know this is all a big money Corporate resource play and the CIA is always willing to help out, don't ya' know? Chile/Pinochet, Guatamala/Arbenz, Philipines/Marcos, Panama/Noreiga, Iran/Mossadegh, Vietnam/Diem, and Libya are Nations we've caused overthrows in, and as often as not, overthrown Democracies. Then there is Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, Uruguay, Ukraine, Syria, Georgia, Granada, more that we have destabilized. If they won't do business with our CORPORATIONS, we will destabilize them and it is out of fear that the World will discover that CORPORATISM is not good for the people, but great for the 1/10th of 1 per cent. In the MidEast, it is always about Energy. Spell that oil and gas and most important distribution pipelines. The Grand Chessboard doesn't want Russia and Iran to become big Energy suppliers to the EU because it initiates an economic alliance and friendly relations. Did anyone see anything about human rights, democracy, liberty, justice, mitigation of poverty or any other virtue in what I just wrote? I think not. Why is that? Because that does not generate profits for the MIC....... "War is good business, and business is good."
 
Using that "logic" then US police officers that murder folks while on duty should be excused since they were hired by, trained by, armed by and acting on behalf of the state. ;)
 
Risky Thicket said:
If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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:lamo

George Bush ?? Does this thread belong in the Partisan section or what ?? The " truth " emerges, huh ?? Here's the actual truth...

Obama backed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, that worked out well....:roll:

He creating a massive power vacuum in Iraq, abandoned the regions Sunni's and then did NOTHING while ISIS ran roughshod across that Country. In 2011 he bragged that We " were leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq.", and then he destabilized it.

His disastrous Libyan Foreign policy has transformed that country into a failed state and a safe haven for radical militias with ties to al Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).

His Syrian policy ??? Wow...draw another red line Obama and keep " tweeting ". ISIS is scared stiff !

I get why the left is trying to blame all of this on Bush, it's what they do, but no one honestly blames a President who hasn't been in the oval office for nearly 8 years and a President who left Iraq " sovereign and stable ".
 
Risky Thicket said:
If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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It seems people are good at handing out blame and pointing fingers. So good that nobody actually wants to stop blaming each other long enough to come up with a resolution. That is getting real old. I don't have any hope that Obama will do anything effective. Hillary's history in the State Department sucks. Trump would be as ineffective as Hillary. Any of the players that have a chance to be elected are pretty much a toss of the coin. Bernie's disposition reminds me of Carter, to nice to have the will to do what needs to be done. I fear this is only going to get worse.
 
Why does everything have to be my fault? I"m going on a hunger strike.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Using that "logic" then US police officers that murder folks while on duty should be excused since they were hired by, trained by, armed by and acting on behalf of the state. ;)
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Isn't that what actually happens?
 
Risky Thicket said:
If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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The GWOT is a fraud of epic proportions. We have the government we deserve.
 
Risky Thicket said:
If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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If Bush hadn't attacked, it would have happened. But then again, If Obama hadn't pulled out, it probably wouldn't have happened either. Yes, Bush started it, but he cannot be blamed for what happened after he left office and another’s policies took hold.
 
Fenton said:
:lamo

George Bush ?? Does this thread belong in the Partisan section or what ?? The " truth " emerges, huh ?? Here's the actual truth...

Obama backed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, that worked out well....:roll:

He creating a massive power vacuum in Iraq, abandoned the regions Sunni's and then did NOTHING while ISIS ran roughshod across that Country. In 2011 he bragged that We " were leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq.", and then he destabilized it.

His disastrous Libyan Foreign policy has transformed that country into a failed state and a safe haven for radical militias with ties to al Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).

His Syrian policy ??? Wow...draw another red line Obama and keep " tweeting ". ISIS is scared stiff !

I get why the left is trying to blame all of this on Bush, it's what they do, but no one honestly blames a President who hasn't been in the oval office for nearly 8 years and a President who left Iraq " sovereign and stable ".
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The power vacuum occurred when Bush dethroned Hussein.
 
DVSentinel said:
Not a Fraud, just a ****up. Good Idea, poor execution.
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No, there was fraud and deception involved in bringing it, from the anthrax attacks and much more.

To borrow from the language used by Congress regarding the Pentagon Papers, what they showed was "...purposeful withholding and distortion of facts." That's how we got there. It was no accident, it was not poor execution.
 
Risky Thicket said:
If wasn't enough that the west greatly encouraged the ****storm in the Middle East with Bush's War, we can't seem to leave it alone. The west is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Oh, you're surprised?

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Just what did President G. W. Bush do to launch the terrorist campaign that started long before he took office and that hit American soil less than 9 months after he was sworn in? Identify the actions or policies he enacted while Governor of Texas that caused terrorism throughout the Middle East. How about the actions or policies he enacted from late January 2001 to September 2001? Have you got anything?

This obsessive need to blame President Bush for everything that isn't right in the world is asinine at best.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Occasionally, but does that make it right?
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Definitely does NOT make it right. I didn't realize we were discussing the moral implications, but am happy to if you would like.

The reality is that cops are very seldom held responsible for the killings and assaults they do. Remember Tamir Rice.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Just what did President G. W. Bush do to launch the terrorist campaign that started long before he took office and that hit American soil less than 9 months after he was sworn in? Identify the actions or policies he enacted while Governor of Texas that caused terrorism throughout the Middle East. How about the actions or policies he enacted from late January 2001 to September 2001? Have you got anything?

This obsessive need to blame President Bush for everything that isn't right in the world is asinine at best.
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Don't forget that simple minds always want to have someone to blame for having started the fire.
 
Henry David said:
No, there was fraud and deception involved in bringing it, from the anthrax attacks and much more.

To borrow from the language used by Congress regarding the Pentagon Papers, what they showed was "...purposeful withholding and distortion of facts." That's how we got there. It was no accident, it was not poor execution.
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Apparently you are confusing Iraq with all of GWOT. The Global War on Terror was the Bush initiative to dismantle all nations sponsoring or harboring terrorist.

What anthrax attacks are you referring to? The ones who's perpetrators have still not been identified?
 
DVSentinel said:
Apparently you are confusing Iraq with all of GWOT. The Global War on Terror was the Bush initiative to dismantle all nations sponsoring or harboring terrorist.

What anthrax attacks are you referring to? The ones who's perpetrators have still not been identified?
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Well, as I see it, the predicate acts to start the GWOT happened on 11 September. The formal beginning was the invasion of Afghanistan, and then Iraq. And that's just the military end of it.

The legislative end of the GWOT was our Unpatriot Act, legislative activity that effectively nullified the Fourth Amendment. You may not recall the great assistance in that legislative effort provided by those anthrax attacks. Congress was scared silly by those attacks, and the Act was passed in absentiaand in the middle of the night.

So too the NDAA Amendment a few years back "allowed" indefinite detention, an effective nullification of Habeas Corpus.

It was all based upon the deception that was the events of 11 September. Brought under fraud, waged under fraud, in violation of international law, in violation of domestic law. A magnificent hoax that so many have not yet figured out.
 
CanadaJohn said:
This obsessive need to blame President Bush for everything that isn't right in the world is asinine at best.
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If people don't have an answer they like, they tend to point a finger. It is a very weak approach to anything and deserves to be ignored.
 
NonoBadDog said:
It seems people are good at handing out blame and pointing fingers. So good that nobody actually wants to stop blaming each other long enough to come up with a resolution. That is getting real old. I don't have any hope that Obama will do anything effective. Hillary's history in the State Department sucks. Trump would be as ineffective as Hillary. Any of the players that have a chance to be elected are pretty much a toss of the coin. Bernie's disposition reminds me of Carter, to nice to have the will to do what needs to be done. I fear this is only going to get worse.
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Bernie actually said at the debate that as AGW progresses, terrorism will get worse. Aye yi yi.
 
Henry David said:
Well, as I see it, the predicate acts to start the GWOT happened on 11 September. The formal beginning was the invasion of Afghanistan, and then Iraq. And that's just the military end of it.

The legislative end of the GWOT was our Unpatriot Act, legislative activity that effectively nullified the Fourth Amendment. You may not recall the great assistance in that legislative effort provided by those anthrax attacks. Congress was scared silly by those attacks, and the Act was passed in absentiaand in the middle of the night.

So too the NDAA Amendment a few years back "allowed" indefinite detention, an effective nullification of Habeas Corpus.

It was all based upon the deception that was the events of 11 September. Brought under fraud, waged under fraud, in violation of international law, in violation of domestic law. A magnificent hoax that so many have not yet figured out.
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9/11 was deception? So the Twin Towers were not really reduced to rubble? An Airplane was not crashed into the Pentagon? What International Law was violated and further what International law would take precedence over US Sovereignty?
 
DVSentinel said:
9/11 was deception? So the Twin Towers were not really reduced to rubble? An Airplane was not crashed into the Pentagon? What International Law was violated and further what International law would take precedence over US Sovereignty?
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Oh he knows the towers were destroyed he just thinks that the US gov used nukes to bring them down. It's just one of the many nut job conspiracy theory's that he believes but has no evidence for.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Just what did President G. W. Bush do to launch the terrorist campaign that started long before he took office and that hit American soil less than 9 months after he was sworn in? Identify the actions or policies he enacted while Governor of Texas that caused terrorism throughout the Middle East. How about the actions or policies he enacted from late January 2001 to September 2001? Have you got anything?

This obsessive need to blame President Bush for everything that isn't right in the world is asinine at best.
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George W. Bush and company invaded the sovereign nation of Iraq. Al Qaeda had no presence in Iraq prior to Bushs War. And now what do we have?
 
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