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Israel to request $5 billion in aid [W:90]

False strawman argument accusation.

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So point out where I referred to the religion of the nations that receive US aid.
Either do that or be honest about twisting my words post after post.
 
I'm always glad to see threads about U.S. support for Israel. They tend to draw out the covert anti-Semitism that is so common today among leftists and put it on display. Invariably these people denounce Israel, just as they do the United States, while carrying water for the Muslim jihadists who are their enemy, and ours.

The lying Marxist cur in the White House is a great spokesman for leftist Jew-haters--no U.S. administration since Israel was established in 1948 has been nearly as hostile to that country as B. Hussein Obama's. No accident that one of the Obamas' closest friends in Chicago was Rashid Khalidi, a fellow commie who is a great admirer of Yasser Arafat and was formerly a propagandist for the PLO.
 
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So point out where I referred to the religion of the nations that receive US aid.
Either do that or be honest about twisting my words post after post.

Why are you citing only Muslim nations in comparison to Israel? I didn't even really consider it as part of my argument, but now that you want to focus on it.
 
Why are you citing only Muslim nations in comparison to Israel? I didn't even really consider it as part of my argument, but now that you want to focus on it.

I haven't. I've cited as examples of nations that receive US aid the top 3 who receive the most money aside from Israel, they happen to be Muslim, and apprently that makes you freak out. Holy ****. You don't seem to accuse yourself of antisemitism for only being vocal against aid to Israel, do you? Seriously, so why do you hurry to use the bigotry accusation? That's messed up.
 
I haven't. I've cited as examples of nations that receive US aid the top 3 who receive the most money aside from Israel, they happen to be Muslim, and apprently that makes you freak out. Holy ****. You don't seem to accuse yourself of antisemitism for only being vocal against aid to Israel, do you? Seriously, so why do you hurry to use the bigotry accusation? That's messed up.

I never said I was against foreign aid for Israel. Maybe you should check yourself before leveling accusations.
 
I don't see why the US doesn't classify Israel as the 51st state of the US as it stands now it gets more money than the American poor who appear on the corner in every metropolitan city within the US; compliments of the Ronald Reagan era.
 
As has been the practice for the most recent decades, ~1% of the US budget is earmarked for foreign assistance. Following a proscribed pattern, FY 2015 assistance is disbursed in many diverse categories including: Development Assistance, Economic Support, Foreign Military Assistance, Global Health Programs - State Dept, Global Health Programs - USAID, International Disaster Assistance, International Military Education and Training, International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement, International Organizations and Programs, Nonproliferation, Anti-Terrorism, De-mining and Related Programs, Overseas Contingency Operations, Peacekeeping Operations, Combating the Trafficking of People, Transition Initiatives, Democracy Fund, Migration and Refugee Assistance, U.S. Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund, Complex Crises Fund, Global Security Contingency Fund, The Emergency Food Assistance Contingency Fund, Independent Agencies and International Financial Institutions (IFIs).

Although the US ranks 2[sup]nd[/sup] in absolute terms (the EU ranks 1[sup]st[/sup]), the US ranks 20[sup]th[/sup] of the 28 Development Assistance Committee (DAC) countries in terms of foreign assistance measured by gross national income (GNI). Norway (DAC) and the United Arab Emirates (non-DAC) are the world's most generous contributing countries in terms of GNI. Typically, the US economic support disbursed is 4x larger than military assistance disbursed.

The preponderance of US assistance to Israel is of the Foreign Military Assistance type. US government economic support to Israel is roughly the same as that for Guinea. The most recent FMA agreement between the US and Israel mandated that >70% of military assistance funding provided to Israel be re-directed back to US research/defense firms. The US and Israel co-invest and share in mutual military technology initiatives. To date, Israel has never defaulted on a US government loan. The UN boasts 193 members and the U.S. provides foreign aid to 96% of all UN countries. 184 countries received economic assistance and 142 countries received military assistance. Five out of the top six U.S. foreign aid recipients (83.3%) were majority Muslim countries.
 
I'm always glad to see threads about U.S. support for Israel. They tend to draw out the covert anti-Semitism that is so common today among leftists and put it on display. Invariably these people denounce Israel, just as they do the United States, while carrying water for the Muslim jihadists who are their enemy, and ours.

The lying Marxist cur in the White House is a great spokesman for leftist Jew-haters--no U.S. administration since Israel was established in 1948 has been nearly as hostile to that country as B. Hussein Obama's. No accident that one of the Obamas' closest friends in Chicago was Rashid Khalidi, a fellow commie who is a great admirer of Yasser Arafat and was formerly a propagandist for the PLO.

Oh dear, nothing but lies and propaganda from the fringe right. Americans, whether left or right, love their country and want it to be better, though there remain disagreements between the two on how to get there. If decent of US policy equals "denouncing" the US, then you've got three fingers pointing back at you. Your claims on Obama are rubbish too.

Ehud Barak sings praises of Obama administration – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
 
As far as aid to Israel is concerned, I say the same thing about them as to all countries...if you need emergency food/medicine, okay (which Israel does not).

If you need anything else...tough.

And especially military aid....if you cannot fight your own wars, don't start them. If you cannot defend yourselves, then you better be real nice to your neighbors. If none of that works and you are still attacked...go and complain to the UN, that is what they are for.

Stop looking to the American taxpayers to help clean up your messes.
 
Oh dear, nothing but lies and propaganda from the fringe right. Americans, whether left or right, love their country and want it to be better, though there remain disagreements between the two on how to get there. If decent of US policy equals "denouncing" the US, then you've got three fingers pointing back at you. Your claims on Obama are rubbish too.

Ehud Barak sings praises of Obama administration – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Oh dear, more baloney. Most commies taking up space in this country loathe it and do not wish it well, just like B. Hussein Obama. No doubt that is why they are such devoted acolytes of B Hussein Obama, the Jew-hating Marxist son of a bitch who is currently disgracing the White House. What do you mean by "decent" of U.S. policy?
 
I've been here for more than six years, never have I seen anyone open a thread about US aid to Afghanistan and how it's been increased during the years that now it's at about 4.5b$, or US foreign aid to any other nation such as Egypt, Jordan, etc. Says everything there is to say on the nature of that opposition. People who oppose all US foreign aid are fine in my book, those who single out Israel are IMO hypocritical and are motivated by the kind of obvious and pathetic hatred one can find in Soho gator's posts.


Pssst -- Apocalypse. I'm going to whisper this really quietly so only you can here it, but there is a reason they single out Israel like they do. It's the ethnicity of the majority of its inhabitants. Let's try to keep this just between you and me, though, o.k.?
 
Oh dear, more baloney. Most commies taking up space in this country loathe it and do not wish it well, just like B. Hussein Obama. No doubt that is why they are such devoted acolytes of B Hussein Obama, the Jew-hating Marxist son of a bitch who is currently disgracing the White House. What do you mean by "decent" of U.S. policy?

^ contender for the most ill considered post on the internet
 
I'm always glad to see threads about U.S. support for Israel. They tend to draw out the covert anti-Semitism that is so common today among leftists and put it on display. Invariably these people denounce Israel, just as they do the United States, while carrying water for the Muslim jihadists who are their enemy, and ours.

The lying Marxist cur in the White House is a great spokesman for leftist Jew-haters--no U.S. administration since Israel was established in 1948 has been nearly as hostile to that country as B. Hussein Obama's. No accident that one of the Obamas' closest friends in Chicago was Rashid Khalidi, a fellow commie who is a great admirer of Yasser Arafat and was formerly a propagandist for the PLO.


What I find interesting is how the old fashioned anti-Semitic/neo Nazi right gets assailed here at every turn, yet the new-fashioned equally hateful extreme left doesn't.

It's not the hatred that seems to be the issue, but how it is couched in terms of rhetorec.
 
And, given that Israel regularly turns out Nobel scientists - I'd say it's a pretty good idea. Wouldn't you?

More in the last few years than the entire Islamic world ever, in fact.

.....and in terms of applied science, any environmentalist worth his or her salt realizes who is among the world leaders in terms of green technology.
 
Oh dear, more baloney. Most commies taking up space in this country loathe it and do not wish it well, just like B. Hussein Obama. No doubt that is why they are such devoted acolytes of B Hussein Obama, the Jew-hating Marxist son of a bitch who is currently disgracing the White House. What do you mean by "decent" of U.S. policy?

Commies?!?

Oh look, matchlight has found a way to talk to us from the past as he is obviously typing this from 1952.
 
What I find interesting is how the old fashioned anti-Semitic/neo Nazi right gets assailed here at every turn, yet the new-fashioned equally hateful extreme left doesn't.

It's not the hatred that seems to be the issue, but how it is couched in terms of rhetorec.



I seem to recall a not too private spat between one Mr. Netanyahu and president Obama over Netanyahu doing what he had done four times before and address congress. Obama responded by releasing classified security information to Israel's enemies....

But, it's only the second amendment types who hate Israel.

Never have I seen such racism as I did when Obama's apologists did on that occasion. Hating Jews is apparently an equal opportunity thing
 
What I find interesting is how the old fashioned anti-Semitic/neo Nazi right gets assailed here at every turn, yet the new-fashioned equally hateful extreme left doesn't.

It's not the hatred that seems to be the issue, but how it is couched in terms of rhetorec.

I don't believe it is just coincidence that the U.S. president whose policy toward Israel has been more hostile than any before him, including even the anti-Semitic Jimmy Carter, has been so chummy with anti-Semites. There is his preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, who, like the commie professor and fake Indian Ward Churchill, played the apologist for Muslim jihadists by claiming in effect that 9/11 was the U.S. getting its comeuppance. And Wright was thick as thieves with the Jew-hating Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan, regularly peddling Farrakhan's pamphlets in his church (Obama of course never knew about that) and even traveling to Libya with him once to meet Khaddafi.

There is former PLO shill Rashid Khalidi. In Chicago, he and his wife often went to the Obamas' place for dinner, and vice versa, and they did babysitting for each other's kids. A few years ago Professor Khalidi was involved with other radical leftists in trying to run Israel's blockade of Gaza with merchant ships carrying cargoes of God knows what for their pals in HAMAS. Obama now sees fit to make the low-life Al Sharpton a close advisor, and never mind the anti-Semitic agitation about "diamond merchants" Sharpton once fomented, or the violence it provoked. And there are the representatives of Muslim Brotherhood front groups like CAIR, ISNA, and IIIT that B. Hussein has made welcome guests at White House doings.

Radical leftists--as someone here noticed, I prefer the older term "commies"--like to masquerade as "liberals" or "progressives," and invariably protest that they really like America. But in fact they are anything but liberal--or, in some cases, even loyal. These brownshirted fake liberals are wolves in sheep's clothing who feel more in common with foreign Islamists than they do with this country and its traditions. They share the Islamists' animosity toward America and toward Western Civilization in general, which makes them natural allies. That is the theme of a book I recommend, Andy McCarthy's "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America."
 
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Commies?!?

Oh look, matchlight has found a way to talk to us from the past as he is obviously typing this from 1952.

If this were 1952, at least we would have a number of Senators investigating disloyalty and communism. There were quite a few, but the best known one, of course, was Joe McCarthy of Wisconsin. He was a very brave man, a patriot, and one of my personal heroes. Hundreds of thousands of pages of documents that have come to light since his death show that even though he made some mistakes, the thrust of his claims was true. In some cases, the evidence shows the threat to our national security was even worse than Joe McCarthy or anyone else suspected.

The Venona Cables, which are decrypts from a long-running effort by the U.S. Army to intercept coded Soviet diplomatic messages, were published by the government in the 1990's, after the fall of the Soviet Union. They and several other sources of information prove that Stalin's KGB had penetrated a couple dozen federal agencies with agents--there were several complexly interrelated rings of larger and smaller fish whose total membership was at least several hundred--who were working against this country's interests. Some of the people McCarthy and his committees were investigating were thoroughly disloyal, outright foreign agents working for Moscow. The evidence vindicates McCarthy, and it helps explain why Bobby Kennedy, who worked as one of his top assistants as a young lawyer, thought so highly of him. So did his brother Jack, who was then a Senator.

For anyone interested in this period, I recommend the beautifully written and very thoroughly documented book from 2007 that has already become the authoritative history of Sen. McCarthy's efforts, Stanton Evans' "Blacklisted by History." Commies of course try to dismiss it and run it down, just as they tried to silence McCarthy with a propaganda campaign to smear him personally. Even today, leftist dim bulbs, whether out of dishonesty or simple ignorance (no shortage of either in their ranks) try to peddle anti-McCarthy slanders. But they won't find it so easy to deny the book's many hard, detailed facts, which are based on original sources. Attacking Evans personally would better suit their witless style.
 
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If this were 1952, at least we would have a number of Senators investigating disloyalty and communism. There were quite a few, but the best known one, of course, was Joe McCarthy of Wisconsin. He was a very brave man, a patriot, and one of my personal heroes. Hundreds of thousands of pages of documents that have come to light since his death show that even though he made some mistakes, the thrust of his claims was true. In some cases, the evidence shows the threat to our national security was even worse than Joe McCarthy or anyone else suspected.

The Venona Cables, which are decrypts from a long-running effort by the U.S. Army to intercept coded Soviet diplomatic messages, were published by the government in the 1990's, after the fall of the Soviet Union. They and several other sources of information prove that Stalin's KGB had penetrated a couple dozen federal agencies with agents--there were several complexly interrelated rings of larger and smaller fish whose total membership was at least several hundred--who were working against this country's interests. Some of the people McCarthy and his committees were investigating were thoroughly disloyal, outright foreign agents working for Moscow. The evidence vindicates McCarthy, and it helps explain why Bobby Kennedy, who worked as one of his top assistants as a young lawyer, thought so highly of him. So did his brother Jack, who was then a Senator.

For anyone interested in this period, I recommend the beautifully written and very thoroughly documented book from 2007 that has already become the authoritative history of Sen. McCarthy's efforts, Stanton Evans' "Blacklisted by History." Commies of course try to dismiss it and run it down, just as they tried to silence McCarthy with a propaganda campaign to smear him personally. Even today, leftist dim bulbs, whether out of dishonesty or simple ignorance (no shortage of either in their ranks) try to peddle anti-McCarthy slanders. But they won't find it so easy to deny the book's many hard, detailed facts, which are based on original sources. Attacking Evans personally would better suit their witless style.

SO, are you assuming everyone who is against military aid to Israel is anti-Semetic and/or a communist?
 
SO, are you assuming everyone who is against military aid to Israel is anti-Semetic and/or a communist?

"Everyone" is a word you chose, not one I used. Nor did I assume anything in that regard. Based on what I have seen, that would be a fair characterization of most of the people who oppose that aid.
 
"Everyone" is a word you chose, not one I used. Nor did I assume anything in that regard. Based on what I have seen, that would be a fair characterization of most of the people who oppose that aid.

So, even though you know few if any of the people involved. You assume that just because they are against military aid to Israel that most of them are anti-Semetic?

Gotcha.

Thank you.
 
So, even though you know few if any of the people involved. You assume that just because they are against military aid to Israel that most of them are anti-Semetic?

Gotcha.

Thank you.

As to who is and who is not antisemitic , the best indicator would be to look at the history of statements by any given individual.

If they never give Israel a fair shake, if they routinely demonize Israel in ways they do not demonize any other people, if they question Israel's very right to exist, if they rationalize and justify terrorism against them, or if they sympathize with various groups promising to destroy them, then yes, they are antisemitic beyond any doubt.

The fact that people's hatred happens to be politically correct these days does not mean it isn't antisemitic.
 
So, even though you know few if any of the people involved. You assume that just because they are against military aid to Israel that most of them are anti-Semetic?

Gotcha.

Thank you.

that's what you get when black or white thinking is the order of the day
and for some of our members, is it ever
 
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