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GOP to Launch a New Assault on Obamacare, Planned Parenthood

MrT said:
First off, good luck convincing the next President to erase the health insurance of millions of individuals or to cut the subsidies necessary for them to pay for their insurance.
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:shrug: Current POTUS seemed to have no problem erasing the health insurance of millions of individuals.

And yeah, I get it, you think giving people free money hooks them for life. But most GOP healthcare plans include subsidies for the low-income.

Second, the precedent that the Republicans are using does them about as much good as invoking the nuclear option. It gains Republicans nothing because they can't override a Presidential veto and it can likely backfire, at least in the instance of the nuclear option, because a simple majority (46 democrats + 5 republicans) becomes enough to advance legislation in the Senate.
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The nuclear option can be tightly focused, as it was when Democrats used it to push through Obama's left-wing judges.
 
tres borrachos said:
Missouri reviewed internal documents from one office over a 30 day period. What did you want - a thorough and real investigation?
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They reviewed the internal documents of the only Planned Parenthood facility that does surgical abortions in that state.
No need to investigate Planned Parenthoods that only give prescriptions and perform other healthcare services.
 
ludin said:
again who cares. we are talking about healthcare and health coverage not regulations.
yet I have to pay the same high price that other people in the state pays I can't get the lower costing plan.
it kind defeats the purpose.
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What do you think a totally unregulated system would look like?


ludin said:
it shows that obamacare has done nothing to lower costs.
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Correct, it has not. On the other hand, it's not responsible for the out of control costs either.

ludin said:
good thing I never said anything about anarchy. yep government is good at some things monitoring and giving out healthcare is no one of them.
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again, unregulated health care? Are you sure that's a good idea?





ludin said:
Yeah and if all your friends jumped off a bridge.
I don't care what other countries do. I see what other countries do and I don't want what they have.
I don't want huge taxes on top of having to pay for private insurance.
I don't want to way over a year to see a doctor.
I want the best healthcare possible not the LCD healthcare the government thinks I need or my family.

no thanks.

that is why I like what signapore has setup only I would tweak it bit here.
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Iagree that the bridge Singapore jumped off of looks like the best one. Copy what they've done and "tweak it a bit", and we'd save money and still have a quality health care system.
 
disneydude said:
LOL...the only "lie" is that because the Republicans didn't vote for it, it wasn't a Republican idea. The fact that the party of NO would go so far to oppose everything that Obama proposed doesn't change the fact that the "Insurance Mandate" was a REPUBLICAN IDEA that originates from the Heritage Foundation. It was a REPUBLICAN IDEA that was put into the ACA in hopes that Blue Dogs and Republicans would then sign on to the ACA. Obama was naïve in believing that he could compromise with the party of NO. But sorry Ludin....the insurance mandate was and always will be a Republican idea.
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and, interestingly enough, it is the least popular component of the ACA:

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tres borrachos said:
I'm still waiting for the $2500 reduction Obama promised me. You know, average or typical family, and all that. Should I hold my breath?
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The $2500 savings for a family of 4 was only if a public option was offered.

A public option would have provided competition and would have helped to bring costs down.

Once the public option was scraped so was our savings.

The public health insurance option, also known as the public insurance option or the public option, was a proposal to create a government-run health insurance agency which would compete with other health insurance companies within the United States. The public option is not the same as publicly funded health care, but was proposed as an alternative health insurance plan offered by the government. The proposal was initially part of the debates surrounding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but was not passed in the final reconciled bill.


The public option was featured in three bills considered by the United States House of Representatives in 2009: the proposed Affordable Health Care for America Act (H.R. 3962), which was passed by the House in 2009, its predecessor, the proposed America's Affordable Health Choices Act (H.R. 3200), and a third bill, the Public Option Act, also referred to as the "Medicare You Can Buy Into Act", (H.R. 4789). ...

President Barack Obama promoted the idea of the public option while running for election in 2008.[3]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option
 
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disneydude said:
Its funny that Republicans would try to repeal the mandate....since the insurance mandate was a Republican idea to begin with. The mandate became part of the ACA as a way to appeal to the bluedog Democrats and Republicans who opposed the public option. This just shows how hypocritical the Republican party has become. They embraced the idea when the Heritage Foundation promoted it...but became adamant proponents of "NO" when Obama included it in the ACA.
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The GOP has really dug themselves into a hole with the mandate. As you say, it's a conservative idea - if you can afford insurance and don't have it, you're a freeloader, offloading the cost of catastrophic care onto the insureds. They're demanding that individuals have the ability to make the rational bet - "I will not buy insurance, and pocket the savings, and if I get in a bad wreck or have a heart attack etc., I can go to ER and everyone else will pay off most of the losses of that bet."

And without a mandate you can't solve the problem of pre-existing conditions and people being uninsurable. Basically, there are good reasons why EVERY country has some sort of universal care. Huge risk pools of the healthy and unhealthy, young and old, are the only way to make insurance 'work.' Every business knows this, all governments know this, but the GOP wants to pretend that these lessons learned by the ENTIRE industrialized world don't need to be acknowledged.
 
minnie616 said:
Medicaid reimbursements already go to all private doctors , all heathcare clinics and all other healthcare providers that participate in Medicaid programs to assist the poor.
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Nobody said otherwise, did they? But we aren't talking about Medicaid. We're talking about the federal funding that goes to PP today.
 
tres borrachos said:
Nobody said otherwise, did they? But we aren't talking about Medicaid. We're talking about the federal funding that goes to PP today.
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Planned Parenthood only gets about 25 percent of the Title X funds.
Other clinics and doctors that provide family planning get the other 75 percent of Title X money.
 
American said:
Obamacare was passed through the use of bribery.
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That's a felony charge you're accusing an entire party of, feel free to provide evidence of that.
 
Deuce said:
That's a felony charge you're accusing an entire party of, feel free to provide evidence of that.
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Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase....need I go on? Get out of my face, this is old news and well proven.
 
ludin said:
yes they did. every democrat and their brother was trying to run as far away from obamacare as they could.
of course it didn't work which is why democrats have been slaughtered in the past 2 election cycles for the house and senate.

nope they passed a recent repeal and in fact have passed another repeal of obamacare.

the next step will be to eliminate it the same way that it was put in.
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LOL....you are completely naïve if you actually believe that. The reality is, the GOP is about nothing more than gamesmanship. They have no real desire to repeal the ACA, they only want to manipulate their sheeple who salivate whenever they raise the prospect. They could repeal it right now if they really wanted to. They know that they would face incredible backlash if they tried to repeal it because it would kick thousands of people of the insurance rolls. The GOP isn't stupid....in fact....they are incredibly smart at knowing how to play the games.
 
American said:
Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase....need I go on? Get out of my face, this is old news and well proven.
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The Louisiana Purchase was a bribe for Obamacare's passage?

This I gotta hear.
 
tres borrachos said:
What does that have to do with anything?
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A little info about Title X funding

Title X gives money to 4,200 family planning centers that serve about 4.5 million people.
Planned Parenthood serves 3 million people and gets about 25 percent of the Title X money.

( PP serves over 3 million people a year:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood )

The other clinics serve about 1. 5 million people and get about 75 percent of the Title X money.
For more than 40 years, Title X family planning centers have provided high quality and cost-effective family planning and related preventive health services for low-income women and men. Family planning centers play a critical role in ensuring access to voluntary family planning information and services for their clients based on their ability to pay.

Family planning centers offer a broad range of FDA-approved contraceptive methods and related counseling; as well as breast and cervical cancer screening; pregnancy testing and counseling; screening and treatment for sexually transmitted infections (STIs); HIV testing; and other patient education and referrals.

Title X Providers
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Population Affairs (OPA) oversees the Title X program. OPA funds a network of nearly 4,200 family planning centers which serve about 4.5 million clients a year. Services are provided through state, county, and local health departments; community health centers; Planned Parenthood centers; and hospital-based, school-based, faith-based, other private nonprofits.

Title X staff are specially trained to meet the contraceptive needs of individuals with limited English proficiency, teenagers, and those confronting complex medical and personal issues such as substance abuse, disability, homelessness or interpersonal and domestic violence.
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Title X Family Planning
 
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Deuce said:
Ahh, so the Republicans chose to name a "scandal" after literally the only thing every American remembers from middle school history that wasn't a war. Geniuses! :lamo

Did Fox News not tell you that this Cornhusker Kickback was repealed?
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So you're not denying the scandal, just the names.
 
American said:
So you're not denying the scandal, just the names.
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I hadn't heard them referred to that way, hence my confusion. The Lousiana Purchase happened long before Obama was born. Republicans trying to name a scandal after that was foolish. Don't get mad at me, it's not my dumbass terminology causing confusion.
 
Deuce said:
I hadn't heard them referred to that way, hence my confusion. The Lousiana Purchase happened long before Obama was born. Republicans trying to name a scandal after that was foolish. Don't get mad at me, it's not my dumbass terminology causing confusion.
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This was all in the news years ago, hard to believe you missed it.
 
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