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Survey: 2/3 of Natsec Pros Give Iran Deal Thumbs Down.....

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66% of the National Security Community opposes the Iran Deal. That goes with 3 polls showing 2-1 odds opposing BO's Deal. Which as more and more are learning about the deal. The more oppose. What say ye.



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Just 26 percent of U.S. national security workers believe that the West’s nuclear agreement with Iran is good for America, and even fewer think it will help Israel or Saudi Arabia, a new Defense One survey shows. Asked to evaluate the statement “The Iran nuclear deal is a good deal for the United States,” some 66 percent of responders disagreed — and two-thirds of that group “strongly disagreed.”

The group’s outlook was even dimmer about the deal’s effect on U.S. allies. Most respondents said that it would have a somewhat or mostly negative impact on the security of Israel (71%), Saudi Arabia (67%), the Gulf Arab states (67%), Jordan (59%), Iraq (58%), and Europe (53%).

The survey was conducted by Defense One and Government Business Council, the research division of Government Executive Media Group, between August 20-27. The survey was emailed to a random sample of Defense One, Government Executive and Nextgov subscribers. There were 465 respondents from the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security, State, and the military service branches. Of that total, 15 percent were active duty military and 7 percent were military reservists. Fifty-eight percent of respondents are at least GS/GM-13, or military equivalent. The margin of error is +/-3.29 percent....snip~

Survey: 2/3 of Natsec Pros Give Iran Deal Thumbs Down - Defense One
 
MMC said:
66% of the National Security Community opposes the Iran Deal. That goes with 3 polls showing 2-1 odds opposing BO's Deal. Which as more and more are learning about the deal. The more oppose. What say ye.



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Just 26 percent of U.S. national security workers believe that the West’s nuclear agreement with Iran is good for America, and even fewer think it will help Israel or Saudi Arabia, a new Defense One survey shows. Asked to evaluate the statement “The Iran nuclear deal is a good deal for the United States,” some 66 percent of responders disagreed — and two-thirds of that group “strongly disagreed.”

The group’s outlook was even dimmer about the deal’s effect on U.S. allies. Most respondents said that it would have a somewhat or mostly negative impact on the security of Israel (71%), Saudi Arabia (67%), the Gulf Arab states (67%), Jordan (59%), Iraq (58%), and Europe (53%).

The survey was conducted by Defense One and Government Business Council, the research division of Government Executive Media Group, between August 20-27. The survey was emailed to a random sample of Defense One, Government Executive and Nextgov subscribers. There were 465 respondents from the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security, State, and the military service branches. Of that total, 15 percent were active duty military and 7 percent were military reservists. Fifty-eight percent of respondents are at least GS/GM-13, or military equivalent. The margin of error is +/-3.29 percent....snip~

Survey: 2/3 of Natsec Pros Give Iran Deal Thumbs Down - Defense One
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It dosn't matter what they think its a done deal once the vote takes place.
 
I would be curious to hear the self-identified political leanings for these respondents. My guess would be that the majority, if not significant majority, would self identify as Republicans or Conservatives. And there are numerous polls to show that support for this deal is a mostly partisan issue wherein the significant majority of Republicans reject the deal and the significant majority of Democrats support the deal.
 
MrT said:
I would be curious to hear the self-identified political leanings for these respondents. My guess would be that the majority, if not significant majority, would self identify as Republicans or Conservatives. And there are numerous polls to show that support for this deal is a mostly partisan issue wherein the significant majority of Republicans reject the deal and the significant majority of Democrats support the deal.
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They didn't ask about Party affiliation.




This poll was independently deployed by Government Executive Media Group and is not affiliated with or sponsored by any political party or external organization.....snip~


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Defense One National Security Survey: September 1, 2015 - Custom Content - GovExec.com
 
pbrauer said:
It dosn't matter what they think its a done deal once the vote takes place.
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This is the great liberal stupidity.

Short term thinking, like the presidency itself. NOTHING matters but winning, personal and political expedience at the expense of national security are the door mat for one concept and one concept only: power.

For the Obama/Hilary brand of liberals, the only desired outcome is that they win, not matter what, a million illegals a year, no problem, nukes in the middle east, sure, weapons for terrorists, anything to get office.

That is the liberal brand. Thanks once again for re-enforcing it with that post
 
Fearandloathing said:
This is the great liberal stupidity.

Short term thinking, like the presidency itself. NOTHING matters but winning, personal and political expedience at the expense of national security are the door mat for one concept and one concept only: power.

For the Obama/Hilary brand of liberals, the only desired outcome is that they win, not matter what, a million illegals a year, no problem, nukes in the middle east, sure, weapons for terrorists, anything to get office.

That is the liberal brand. Thanks once again for re-enforcing it with that post
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Stupidity? How many Democrats has stated they will vote with the Republicans? Answer: 2
 
MMC said:
They didn't ask about Party affiliation.




This poll was independently deployed by Government Executive Media Group and is not affiliated with or sponsored by any political party or external organization.....snip~


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Defense One National Security Survey: September 1, 2015 - Custom Content - GovExec.com
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Setting aside the fact that military tends to lean Republican, these two surveys very strongly read to me as a group that leans conservative or heavily republican because Donald Trump and Jim Webb poll in the number 1 spots of each poll
 
MrT said:
Setting aside the fact that military tends to lean Republican, these two surveys very strongly read to me as a group that leans conservative or heavily republican because Donald Trump and Jim Webb poll in the number 1 spots of each poll
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Shows Hillary and Biden isn't doing to bad either. Nor Carson. So quite a bid of wide diversity. Webb was a surprise tho.
 
pbrauer said:
Stupidity? How many Democrats has stated they will vote with the Republicans? Answer: 2
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You must have forgot all those in the House Pete. They are Still Democrats and that's despite O'Malley thinking they the Undemocratic Party. :mrgreen:
 
MMC said:
You must have forgot all those in the House Pete. They are Still Democrats and that's despite O'Malley thinking they the Undemocratic Party. :mrgreen:
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You may have forgotten it takes a vote in both chambers.
 
MrT said:
Setting aside the fact that military tends to lean Republican, these two surveys very strongly read to me as a group that leans conservative or heavily republican because Donald Trump and Jim Webb poll in the number 1 spots of each poll
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Trump is a conservative?
 
Just to add more technicality: it takes 67 in the Senate to override the inevitable veto, and apparently the President just secured 34 of the 100, leaving 66.
 
jmotivator said:
Trump is a conservative?
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Without the polling numbers to support me at the moment, but I believe the supporters of Trump mostly self-identify as conservative.
 
Chomsky said:
Just to add more technicality: it takes 67 in the Senate to override the inevitable veto, and apparently the President just secured 34 of the 100, leaving 66.
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Heya Chomsky. :2wave: Don't forget the special technicality. It was hidden in the fine print. :lol:




The 34-senator milestone represents a resounding defeat for efforts by the Republicans and the Israeli government to derail the agreement, but it is by no means the end of the political struggle. The threshold means that Obama’s supporters could stop his veto being overridden if he needed to use it against a congressional vote of disapproval on the JCPOA, agreed with Iran, the US and five other world powers in July. Democrats are now trying to reach 41 votes, enough to block the disapproval vote in the Senate by filibuster, and spare Obama from having to spend political capital on a veto.....snip~

Obama secures Iran victory as 34th senator endorses nuclear deal | World news | The Guardian
 
MrT said:
Without the polling numbers to support me at the moment, but I believe the supporters of Trump mostly self-identify as conservative.
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OK, so are Sander's supporters all socialists, then?
 
MMC said:
Heya Chomsky. :2wave: Don't forget the special technicality. It was hidden in the fine print. :lol:




The 34-senator milestone represents a resounding defeat for efforts by the Republicans and the Israeli government to derail the agreement, but it is by no means the end of the political struggle. The threshold means that Obama’s supporters could stop his veto being overridden if he needed to use it against a congressional vote of disapproval on the JCPOA, agreed with Iran, the US and five other world powers in July. Democrats are now trying to reach 41 votes, enough to block the disapproval vote in the Senate by filibuster, and spare Obama from having to spend political capital on a veto.....snip~

Obama secures Iran victory as 34th senator endorses nuclear deal | World news | The Guardian
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Yep, as we used to say when I worked in engineering: "God is in the details".

But, besides the cost of the possible further expenditure of the President's political capital - the arms deal will stand in force, with the tally at 34.

And, I do suspect the President will stand pat - a hard fought win is still a win, and it can even be argued the greatest wins are often the most difficult.
 
jmotivator said:
OK, so are Sander's supporters all socialists, then?
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Setting aside the fact that your first question implied that you already found this type of logic (Trump's supporters being conservative makes Trump conservative) to be faulty...

"mostly" and "all" are different terms and imply different amounts
 
Chomsky said:
Yep, as we used to say when I worked in engineering: "God is in the details".

But, besides the cost of the possible further expenditure of the President's political capital - the arms deal will stand in force, with the tally at 34.

And, I do suspect the President will stand pat - a hard fought win is still a win, and it can even be argued the greatest wins are often the most difficult.
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Yep it will be his victory.....his legacy. Given to him by the Democrats, not that he earned it. Which he will swet out his last remaining days hoping that the Iranians wont create all kinds of chaos in the ME. While hoping that no Iranians will kill any Americans in Afghanistan or Iraq. Or anywhere else. He knows what happens then. Of course there will be all that Sunni and Shia infighting going on and now several are going for their own nuke material. Except for the Saud. They already have the ballistics to Hit Tehran. Which they have aptly reminding everybody. They will pick up the other component from Pakistan.

There is still some good news tho......States have Iran on the Terrorism list. Which they wont be dropping their sanctions. BO forgot to take them off while trying to give them cover, uhm a new fresh start.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep, as we used to say when I worked in engineering: "God is in the details".

But, besides the cost of the possible further expenditure of the President's political capital - the arms deal will stand in force, with the tally at 34.

And, I do suspect the President will stand pat - a hard fought win is still a win, and it can even be argued the greatest wins are often the most difficult.
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He has absolutely nothing to lose to see it through, and even create a bitter end.
 
MrT said:
Setting aside the fact that your first question implied that you already found this type of logic (Trump's supporters being conservative makes Trump conservative) to be faulty...

"mostly" and "all" are different terms and imply different amounts
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Since you pulled the statistics for your initial claim out of your butt we can safely accept that any counter arguments should no more rigor than your initial claim.
 
MMC said:
66% of the National Security Community opposes the Iran Deal. That goes with 3 polls showing 2-1 odds opposing BO's Deal. Which as more and more are learning about the deal. The more oppose. What say ye.



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Just 26 percent of U.S. national security workers believe that the West’s nuclear agreement with Iran is good for America, and even fewer think it will help Israel or Saudi Arabia, a new Defense One survey shows. Asked to evaluate the statement “The Iran nuclear deal is a good deal for the United States,” some 66 percent of responders disagreed — and two-thirds of that group “strongly disagreed.”

The group’s outlook was even dimmer about the deal’s effect on U.S. allies. Most respondents said that it would have a somewhat or mostly negative impact on the security of Israel (71%), Saudi Arabia (67%), the Gulf Arab states (67%), Jordan (59%), Iraq (58%), and Europe (53%).

The survey was conducted by Defense One and Government Business Council, the research division of Government Executive Media Group, between August 20-27. The survey was emailed to a random sample of Defense One, Government Executive and Nextgov subscribers. There were 465 respondents from the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security, State, and the military service branches. Of that total, 15 percent were active duty military and 7 percent were military reservists. Fifty-eight percent of respondents are at least GS/GM-13, or military equivalent. The margin of error is +/-3.29 percent....snip~

Survey: 2/3 of Natsec Pros Give Iran Deal Thumbs Down - Defense One
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The relief as part of the nuclear agreement reached in July totals roughly $100 billion. Iran funds Hezbollah and Hamas, among other terrorist groups, and is the world’s leading sponsor of terror.
Biden, while defending the deal to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D., Fla.) and a group of Jewish supporters, addressed the financial benefits for Iran as a result of the agreement.
“Well, Joe, even if I believed you were able to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, you’re going to give them a whole lot of money, Joe Boy!” Biden said with a laugh. “And they’re going to go out and do more of the bad things they’re doing now, do it more efficiently and threaten our friends in an existential way because they’ll have so much more money and capacity. Totally legitimate argument and concern.”
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Our crazy uncle got out of the garage again dad.

Biden: 'Totally Legitimate Argument' That Iran Can Use Sanctions Relief to Fund Terror - Washington Free Beacon
 
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