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The Real Reason College Tuition Costs So Much

JANFU

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/o...n-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=0

State appropriations reached a record inflation-adjusted high of $86.6 billion in 2009. They declined as a consequence of the Great Recession, but have since risen to $81 billion. And these totals do not include the enormous expansion of the federal Pell Grant program, which has grown, in today’s dollars, to $34.3 billion per year from $10.3 billion in 2000.
By contrast, a major factor driving increasing costs is the constant expansion of university administration. According to the Department of Education data, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent between 1993 and 2009, which Bloomberg reported was 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.

Even more strikingly, an analysis by a professor at California Polytechnic University, Pomona, found that, while the total number of full-time faculty members in the C.S.U. system grew from 11,614 to 12,019 between 1975 and 2008, the total number of administrators grew from 3,800 to 12,183 — a 221 percent increase.
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How The Cost Of College Went From Affordable To Sky-High : NPR

So what do ya think eh?
 
It does seem a bit much to now have one administrator per faculty member when they used to get by with one administrator for every three faculty members.
 
JANFU said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/o...n-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=0



How The Cost Of College Went From Affordable To Sky-High : NPR

So what do ya think eh?
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No doubt. It's not just the quantity, it's also that admins tend to be paid more than teaching staff, are likely to be more permanent, full time pay as well. They're all a bunch of liars as well. I can recall when BSU claimed that it was going to be such a savings for the uni when they allowed named sponsorship of the arenas and such, but alas, tuition still rose dramatically and so did costs of sporting tickets and everything. It's a shell game of non-educators taking from the educational system. Same thing is occurring to an extent I think on many levels of public education. Teachers get squeezed and administrators keep getting more.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It does seem a bit much to now have one administrator per faculty member when they used to get by with one administrator for every three faculty members.
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If we get the state out of higher education we will not have to worry about such questions that the management of the school better be better qualified to answer.
 
joG said:
I think it is a good idea to get government out of the production of what is essentially a private good.
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Actually this aspect has been blooming in correlation with the privatization of much of the campus activities and venues. So unfortunately, I think we have reasonable proof that privatization isn't the answer. Furthermore, even with the bs detailed above, private unis now are ridiculously expensive even the "on-line" ones. So again, I am pretty sure I'm on solid ground when I say that privatization is not the answer.
 
Summerwind said:
Actually this aspect has been blooming in correlation with the privatization of much of the campus activities and venues. So unfortunately, I think we have reasonable proof that privatization isn't the answer. Furthermore, even with the bs detailed above, private unis now are ridiculously expensive even the "on-line" ones. So again, I am pretty sure I'm on solid ground when I say that privatization is not the answer.
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I think you are on the right path. Business is in business to make money. First and foremost, make money.
 
Chainsaw said:
Because liberal hypocrites like Liz Warren whine that tuition is too expensive and students have too much debt, but is paid $400K a year to teach just one class?
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Liz Warren???
Link???
 
Chainsaw said:
Because liberal hypocrites like Liz Warren whine that tuition is too expensive and students have too much debt, but is paid $400K a year to teach just one class?
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At Harvard, one of the most prestigious PRIVATE universities in the world. Also it seems to have been a one time thing as there's no indication of that kind of pay at the other unis she taught at.
 
JANFU said:
Liz Warren???
Link???
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What do want the link for? That Harvard pays her $400k to teach one class? Or that she whines the student debt and tuition is too high?
 
Chainsaw said:
What do want the link for? That Harvard pays her $400k to teach one class? Or that she whines the student debt and tuition is too high?
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It's not hypocritical to make money in the private arena and yet see the hardships of others in the public arena. It's compassionate, it's considerate, ... hypocritical, not so much.
 
Summerwind said:
It's not hypocritical to make money in the private arena and yet see the hardships of others in the public arena. It's compassionate, it's considerate, ... hypocritical, not so much.
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Oooohhhhh I get it. She could dump the Harvard pay and go teach at a public U for a fraction of the salary to help benefit the common folk and down-trodden. But she goes after as much money as she can. WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!!! How is what she is doing any different than what evil corporations she whines about? It is only greedy, selfish and socially harmful when the right does it.
 
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Chainsaw said:
Oooohhhhh I get it. She could dump the Harvard pay and go teach at a public U for a fraction of the salary to help benefit the common folk and down-trodden. But she goes after as much money as she can. WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!!! How is what she is doing any different than what evil corporations she whines about. It is only greedy, selfish and socially harmful when the right does it.
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Uhm, she taught at a number of public universities before Harvard. It's not like that was her only job ever, as you're trying to make it seem. It also wasn't a recurring position, it was one year, one time.

And if you can't see the difference between someone accepting a standard pay for a standard teaching job at THAT PARTICULAR PRIVATE university, and what the corporations are doing, than you're not bright enough for me to debate on this topic.
 
Chainsaw said:
Oooohhhhh I get it. She could dump the Harvard pay and go teach at a public U for a fraction of the salary to help benefit the common folk and down-trodden. But she goes after as much money as she can. WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!!! How is what she is doing any different than what evil corporations she whines about? It is only greedy, selfish and socially harmful when the right does it.
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That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
 
Summerwind said:
Uhm, she taught at a number of public universities before Harvard. It's not like that was her only job ever, as you're trying to make it seem. It also wasn't a recurring position, it was one year, one time.

And if you can't see the difference between someone accepting a standard pay for a standard teaching job at THAT PARTICULAR PRIVATE university, and what the corporations are doing, than you're not bright enough for me to debate on this topic.
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HHhmmmmmm where is she now and how much does she get paid?

Hhmmhmhmmmm corporations are PRIVATE too, but that doesn't stop Liz or the left from sniveling about what they are able to earn in the market place.
 
Summerwind said:
I don't go to nutter sites. Sorry.
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ttwtt78640 I could have told you that! If it is not MoveOn.Soro's sanctioned, they will not even consider the information. That way they don't have to debate the point. I have to give her some credit, she didn't call your racist.
 
Two words: government subsidization.
 
Summerwind said:
Actually this aspect has been blooming in correlation with the privatization of much of the campus activities and venues. So unfortunately, I think we have reasonable proof that privatization isn't the answer. Furthermore, even with the bs detailed above, private unis now are ridiculously expensive even the "on-line" ones. So again, I am pretty sure I'm on solid ground when I say that privatization is not the answer.
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I don't know about that. It sounds only as though you don't want an efficient allocation of education.
Higher education is expensive and producing more than required is therefore very wasteful and more wasteful still, if the production is structured as a public good and not as a private one. Those costs do not go away, just because the state pays for it instead of the beneficiary.

Obviously there are efficient ways to structure the process and ones that are less so. Presently maybe it is less well put together. But that does not disqualify the private sector. It only shows that politicians have not done a good job.
 
Chainsaw said:
Liz is her tribal given name after she tried to pass herself off as a Native American minority.
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Now I remember. Quite the gal.
 
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