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Yelp users hilariously revolt against Indiana pizza shop that refuses to cater[W:564]

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ARealConservative said:
the reality is this straw man lasted 10 pages too long.

it has nothing to do with a discussion of yelp users, or this thread.

but thanks for chiming in. you win the internet today. ~rolls eyes
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This from the very same guy who compared pedophilia to homosexuality. Eye roll indeed.
 
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Top Cat said:
This from the very same guy who compared pedophilia to homosexuality. Eye roll indeed.
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when did I do that exactly?

cookoo. cookoo.
 
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ARealConservative said:
the reality is this straw man lasted 10 pages too long.

it has nothing to do with a discussion of yelp users, or this thread.

but thanks for chiming in. you win the internet today. ~rolls eyes
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Guess what? People don't have problems with gay marriage anymore. Move on, adapt, or be left behind.
 
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beefheart said:
Guess what? People don't have problems with gay marriage anymore. Move on, adapt, or be left behind.
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I don't have a problem with gay marriage, but it is dishonest to say the issue doesn't exist. Indiana proves otherwise.
 
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ARealConservative said:
I don't have a problem with gay marriage, but it is dishonest to say the issue doesn't exist. Indiana proves otherwise.
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Dying generation of stubborn folk.

And they are aghast to find that they are not only not the majority, but the dwindling minority.
 
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beefheart said:
Dying generation of stubborn folk.

And they are aghast to find that they are not only not the majority, but the dwindling minority.
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I see what is happening as an overreach of "rights" and much more like watching the bullied become the bully.

I'm an agnostic now, and 18 years ago when I got married. That fact kept me from being able to use plenty of marriage services, but that was their right to deny me service, not my right to demand it.
 
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ARealConservative said:
I see what is happening as an overreach of "rights" and much more like watching the bullied become the bully.

I'm an agnostic now, and 18 years ago when I got married. That fact kept me from being able to use plenty of marriage services, but that was their right to deny me service, not my right to demand it.
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Pence is starting to get the look on his face that Nicolai Ceaucescau got when he realized the masses were jeering, not cheering.
 
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Fletch said:
If the rights of the religious are being trampled, to whom would you expect them to turn?
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Where all of us turn...to Govt. But the irony is telling. In fact it is hilarious. The Right are notorious hypocrites but it is always funny to see it in action. Especialy when it is such total FAIL.
 
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ARealConservative said:
I see what is happening as an overreach of "rights" and much more like watching the bullied become the bully.

I'm an agnostic now, and 18 years ago when I got married. That fact kept me from being able to use plenty of marriage services, but that was their right to deny me service, not my right to demand it.
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Having regrets are you? How did they know you were an agnostic? Is it tattooed on your face?
 
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tres borrachos said:
I'm going to guess it IS zero. It's probably the same pathetic idiots who trashed the doctor rating of that doctor who had her partner see the baby of the gay couple.

Sorry, this is just dishonest and deceitful and is very childish.
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I just read an article that one of the female coaches at the high school got herself suspended after threatening on Twitter to burn down the pizzeria because it refuses to make pizzas for gay marriages.

Coach Suspended After Threatening to Burn Down Christian-Owned Pizzeria

This is interesting......A Marist poll taken just last month found that 54% of those polled, including a 47% – 45% plurality of Democrats, agreed with “allowing First Amendment religious liberty protection or exemptions for faith based organizations and individuals even when it conflicts with government laws.”

Democrats Turn Against Religious Freedom Laws. Voters Don't Agree With Them. - Bloomberg Politics

You are correct, what is being played out in the media whether social or MSM, is deceitful and dishonest.
 
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ARealConservative said:
the reality is this straw man lasted 10 pages too long.

it has nothing to do with a discussion of yelp users, or this thread.

but thanks for chiming in. you win the internet today. ~rolls eyes
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What strawman? Samhain mentioned a court case where nazis won a discrimination lawsuit. You took issue with me saying it was ironic, made up a result that never happened ("NEVER went to court") and then proceeded to make yourself look silly for 9 pages because you don't understand how court cases work or for that matter had all the facts. You keep trying to avoid all that crow, but it won't go away.
 
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iguanaman said:
Having regrets are you? How did they know you were an agnostic? Is it tattooed on your face?
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This is sort of what I was thinking. I got married 8 years ago, I made arrangements living in Hawaii to get married in Virginia. No church (neither my husband nor I are religious), we had an officiant from Norfolk drive up and perform the ceremony (of course the expansion of the internet since 18 years ago probably made a good deal of the difference, but even so..). My sister even found a dry cleaner who would press my dress (bought in Hawaii, and it got messed up on the plane, even with it being kept up front, hung up in the plane). The dry cleaner nor the person I bought the dress from asked about my religion. My officiant would perform pretty much any service (even told me of one wedding where she got in a hot tub with the bride and groom for the ceremony). Pretty sure it would not currently cause much issue to be agnostic or even atheist when it comes to making wedding arrangements. And that would still be illegal discrimination if someone is refusing you wedding service due to you being agnostic or atheist.
 
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roguenuke said:
Chick-fil-a has 1850 restaurants. This place has one. They are not likely to see the same profits as CFA did, especially not when Chick-fil-a said several different times that they did not discriminate in who they served, ever. Willing to bet that CFA would cater a same sex marriage if they were willing to cater an opposite sex marriage, despite their Christian business model.
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Did you think I was referring to the actual numbers of Chick Fillet restaurants in comparison to this local business? Im not, at all. Im saying for that local business, in that locality, I suspect they will make as much money as they lose, maybe more.

Christians are tired of being made out as being the bad guys and Indiana is mid west Christian country. Imagine seeing things from their perspective.
 
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roguenuke said:
We do. But most people know better than to try to make a claim that their religious beliefs are against a person being black or a woman or of a certain religion, and that is why they are denying them service.

There is "loss" in having to find another bakery, especially if you had an appointment with that one, who then refused, and you have to start the process again with another bakery, hoping that they too won't claim religious beliefs against "your kind" are the reason they are denying you service.
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Thats not why the very few places that are are denying service-its because they truly feel that it violates their 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
 
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US Conservative said:
Did you think I was referring to the actual numbers of Chick Fillet restaurants in comparison to this local business? Im not, at all. Im saying for that local business, in that locality, I suspect they will make as much money as they lose, maybe more.

Christians are tired of being made out as being the bad guys and Indiana is mid west Christian country. Imagine seeing things from their perspective.
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Not likely actually. While they do get mainly local business, they are also likely to get a lot of younger business more than older business. Younger people tend to eat pizza more than older people do, but also more likely to support same sex marriage/gay rights. And any extra business they might get from this in the immediate future, would likely die rather quickly, because it is simply easier to not frequent a business than it is to give it more of your money. That is basic economic principle. Most of these businesses rely on a steady clientele. Unless they were planning on making as much as they could quickly then closing up shop, or simply using this as an excuse to perhaps sue Yelp! reviewers, this is much more likely to hurt them in the longterm, especially compared to the Chik-fil-a thing because Chik fil a could easily afford a temporary boycott of their businesses, particularly when they change their business donations not long after so that they were no longer donating from their business charity to political groups, including anti-gay groups.
 
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Kobie said:
Who the hell is buying pizza from someone with the last name O'Connor, anyway?
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Kobie, here on the west coast we have plenty of restaurants with the best Irish nachos. I wouldn't be prejudicial against them having good pizza as well.
 
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US Conservative said:
Thats not why the very few places that are are denying service-its because they truly feel that it violates their 1st amendment right to freedom of religion.
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Because people are telling them it does. It is basically like getting harassment "training" that tells you "pictures of women in bikinis, no matter where, are sexual harassment toward you", and this leading to more claims of sexual harassment than before because people now believe that someone having such pics up in their locker should be offensive to them. They probably went years, possibly decades of their life seeing women in bikinis in pictures, never once thinking "that is sick, I find that offensive", not until someone else told them to find it offensive.
 
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PoS said:
I think stuff like this is the best way to fight bigotry rather than government legislation. If a business discriminates then let the market decide their fate rather than the government.
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I agree. Except that I dont necessarily see this as bigotry.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Have you seen what they bill per hour? And you want it for free?
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Not if this is a legal advice pay site.

I practice medicine, I dont bill here for questions about (basic, non-liable, and legal) medical facts.

And neither does he-this is something he does in his leisure time.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
It's also called being a poor business person. Being in business is about making money not making declarations.
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I respect without reservation (even if I dont always agree) a person who will stand on principle over finances.

I do it daily, and yes, I can see how its hard to imagine for some.

See my sig.
 
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roguenuke said:
Not likely actually. While they do get mainly local business, they are also likely to get a lot of younger business more than older business. Younger people tend to eat pizza more than older people do, but also more likely to support same sex marriage/gay rights. And any extra business they might get from this in the immediate future, would likely die rather quickly, because it is simply easier to not frequent a business than it is to give it more of your money. That is basic economic principle. Most of these businesses rely on a steady clientele. Unless they were planning on making as much as they could quickly then closing up shop, or simply using this as an excuse to perhaps sue Yelp! reviewers, this is much more likely to hurt them in the longterm, especially compared to the Chik-fil-a thing because Chik fil a could easily afford a temporary boycott of their businesses, particularly when they change their business donations not long after so that they were no longer donating from their business charity to political groups, including anti-gay groups.
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If you can show the demographic breakdown by age and religious affiliation I'd love to see it. If you can show the demographic breakdown of the business Id like that even more. But as of now, I trust their take over yours-if you are wrong it would bruise your pride ( I expect the results of their decision to be publicized) , if they are wrong the owners, and many more local employees are out of a job.

For the record, I think I know what you'd like to be the case, but I'd prefer the facts-and I would respect the owners in either case, and I suspect they are making a decision based on moral principles (that you may dislike) over a pure business matter.
 
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roguenuke said:
Because people are telling them it does. It is basically like getting harassment "training" that tells you "pictures of women in bikinis, no matter where, are sexual harassment toward you", and this leading to more claims of sexual harassment than before because people now believe that someone having such pics up in their locker should be offensive to them. They probably went years, possibly decades of their life seeing women in bikinis in pictures, never once thinking "that is sick, I find that offensive", not until someone else told them to find it offensive.
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This hints at severe hubris. What if its because their personal convictions-held long before the modern lefts attack on Christianity are telling them as much? Do you account for that?

Its ironic that you use a lefty feminist argument-pictures of beautiful women that men (dogma or not) think highly of is an apt comparison. In that case, its a biological (and undeniable stimulus) thats demonstrated. The LEFT (feminists and all) TOLD THEM that was offensive.

I dont think its offensive in the least, and find women in bikinis to be delightful women, generally.
 
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US Conservative said:
This hints at severe hubris. What if its because their personal convictions-held long before the modern lefts attack on Christianity are telling them as much? Do you account for that?

Its ironic that you use a lefty feminist argument-pictures of beautiful women that men (dogma or not) think highly of is an apt comparison. In that case, its a biological (and undeniable stimulus) thats demonstrated. The LEFT (feminists and all) TOLD THEM that was offensive.

I dont think its offensive in the least, and find women in bikinis to be delightful women, generally.
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It isn't. Even if you go with "it is a belief from their religion" (not likely since nowhere in the Bible does it say "thou shalt not participate in a same sex wedding, including selling them a cake or other food products", in fact Jesus ate with sinners, never actually judging them personally for their sins, only sharing his words about salvation), it would still come from someone, parents, religious leaders, etc. telling them to be offended, to act this way. No one is born with their religious beliefs. They are all taught.

What is "ironic" is the fact that after several posts mentioning your partisan comments towards me, you still haven't learned what that means. Maybe you should try not judging people based on your presumption of their political lean and where they stand on other issues in relation to your presumption.
 
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