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Iran and U.S. reach tentative agreement in nuclear talks

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Iran and the United States have tentatively agreed on a formula that Washington hopes will reduce Tehran's ability to make nuclear arms by committing it to ship to Russia much of the material needed for such weapons, diplomats say.
In another sign of progress, the two diplomats told The Associated Press that negotiators at the December round of nuclear talks drew up for the first time a catalog outlining areas of potential accord and differing approaches to remaining disputes.

The diplomats said differences still dominate ahead of the next round of Iran-six power talks on Jan. 15 in Geneva. But they suggested that even agreement to create a to-do list would have been difficult previously because of wide gaps between the sides.


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Alas!! Progress made! Right before the GOP brings in these "new sanctions" in diplomatic talks. Hopefully this will make the GOP back down on their hawkish rhetoric about Iran. I mean hell, they have been at it ever since we abadoned the fail policy of the Bush administration with Iran... But hey, of course that "OBAMA SUCKS!!!" crowd will scream and yell, but diplomacy with Iran has broken through, and hopefully it can be taken forward!
 
Read more @: Iran and U.S. reach tentative agreement in nuclear talks

Alas!! Progress made! Right before the GOP brings in these "new sanctions" in diplomatic talks. Hopefully this will make the GOP back down on their hawkish rhetoric about Iran. I mean hell, they have been at it ever since we abadoned the fail policy of the Bush administration with Iran... But hey, of course that "OBAMA SUCKS!!!" crowd will scream and yell, but diplomacy with Iran has broken through, and hopefully it can be taken forward! [/FONT][/COLOR]

You really see progress there? It looks more like the UN is folding and Iran will get the bomb.
 
You really see progress there? It looks more like the UN is folding and Iran will get the bomb.

Wait the following isnt progress?????
"shipping out much of the material as tentatively agreed upon" Iran and U.S. reach tentative agreement in nuclear talks - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz
"Iran has taken further action to comply with terms of an extended interim nuclear agreement with six world powers, a monthly U.N. atomic agency update on the accord's implementation showed on Monday. The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), seen by Reuters, made clear that Iran is meeting its commitments under the temporary deal, as it and the major powers are seeking to negotiate a final settlement of their nuclear dispute.
Iran acts to meet terms of extended nuclear deal with powers: IAEA | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Sooo, yea. Id say thats progress....
 
Wait the following isnt progress?????
"shipping out much of the material as tentatively agreed upon" Iran and U.S. reach tentative agreement in nuclear talks - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz
"Iran has taken further action to comply with terms of an extended interim nuclear agreement with six world powers, a monthly U.N. atomic agency update on the accord's implementation showed on Monday. The report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), seen by Reuters, made clear that Iran is meeting its commitments under the temporary deal, as it and the major powers are seeking to negotiate a final settlement of their nuclear dispute.
Iran acts to meet terms of extended nuclear deal with powers: IAEA | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Sooo, yea. Id say thats progress....

I see that we have got nearly none of the points resolved and the tentative agreements leave Iran with a bomb. I really don't think we have gone anywhere, except that the Iranis have gained time and developed long range delivery capabilities for nukes.
 
I see that we have got nearly none of the points resolved and the tentative agreements leave Iran with a bomb. I really don't think we have gone anywhere, except that the Iranis have gained time and developed long range delivery capabilities for nukes.
agreed, reducing enriched uranium stockpiles isn't getting rid of it; nor is reductions in centrifuges.

Iran is a regional power, will eventually get the bomb, and that means Saudi Arabia will have to buy it from Pakistan or where ever.

MAD comes to the MidEast ( Mad=Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine)
 
agreed, reducing enriched uranium stockpiles isn't getting rid of it; nor is reductions in centrifuges.

Iran is a regional power, will eventually get the bomb, and that means Saudi Arabia will have to buy it from Pakistan or where ever.

MAD comes to the MidEast ( Mad=Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine)

The problem with MAD is that it does not work in a multipolar world with short reaction times and poor information. It was iffy enough with only two superpowers and a vast area between them. But we will see nuclear war, if proliferation takes off and we do not have a robust common security system at the global level. As it is forming up, we do not have much time to build the system. And with the Iran negotiations to go by, we do not have a snowballs chance in Hell of survival.
 
Our government needs a basic course on effective negotiation - from top to bottom.
 
Obama agrees to do nothing, while Iran agrees to build a nuke. That's progress, alright! :roll:
 
Wait the following isnt progress????? "shipping out much of the material as tentatively agreed upon"
You seem unclear on what "tentatively" means. Peace 'tentatively' in our time does not mean that war has been avoided.
 
The earlier reports appear to have been incorrect or overly optimistic. From Reuters:

Iran denied on Saturday that it had reached an agreement with the United States to ship its surplus enriched uranium to Russia under new concessions aimed at clinching a comprehensive nuclear deal with six world powers.

Iran says no deal with U.S. to ship enriched uranium to Russia | Reuters
 
The earlier reports appear to have been incorrect or overly optimistic. From Reuters:

Iran denied on Saturday that it had reached an agreement with the United States to ship its surplus enriched uranium to Russia under new concessions aimed at clinching a comprehensive nuclear deal with six world powers.

Iran says no deal with U.S. to ship enriched uranium to Russia | Reuters
Even the OP says:
Iran's Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham however said on Saturday that no agreement has been reached "on any of the issues" discussed in the nuclear talks, according to Iran's Press TV. Afkham reportedly called the claims about a nuclear deal "politically-motivated" speculations aimed at undermining the talks.
It's not even 'tentative'.

This has been planted by the 'diplomats' and, it seems, Obama still sucks.
 
This is great news. I suspect that many are sick of this story.

When will the arrow of Elam be broken I wonder.
 
Even the OP says: It's not even 'tentative'.

This has been planted by the 'diplomats' and, it seems, Obama still sucks.

Its enough to get some here all "giddy" about what they would like to see happen with Iran; rose colored glasses and all.

:yawn:
 
You seem unclear on what "tentatively" means. Peace 'tentatively' in our time does not mean that war has been avoided.

I know what tentatively means...
 
I see that we have got nearly none of the points resolved and the tentative agreements leave Iran with a bomb.
Really? They do? Even tho they are shipping out many of the needed components to make a bomb...
Even tho our own intelligence and Israeli intelligence say "we dont know if Iran even wants a bomb"?
But hey I get it, Iran is the boogeyman.

I really don't think we have gone anywhere, except that the Iranis have gained time and developed long range delivery capabilities for nukes.
Even tho the IAEA and diplomats involved in it have said they have gone somewhere...
 
Really? They do? Even tho they are shipping out many of the needed components to make a bomb...
Even tho our own intelligence and Israeli intelligence say "we dont know if Iran even wants a bomb"?
But hey I get it, Iran is the boogeyman.


Even tho the IAEA and diplomats involved in it have said they have gone somewhere...

Yes. Even though. I have been following Iran develop for a good while. They wanted a bomb as early as the Shah. Their present actions are totally consistent with the constraints under which they presently find themselves if they wanted a bomb. And the reports i have read are not as comforting as you would seem to like. No. I think it would be worse than naive to let up and compromise. It would be irresponsible.
 
Yes. Even though. I have been following Iran develop for a good while. They wanted a bomb as early as the Shah. Their present actions are totally consistent with the constraints under which they presently find themselves if they wanted a bomb. And the reports i have read are not as comforting as you would seem to like. No. I think it would be worse than naive to let up and compromise. It would be irresponsible.

Hmm even though years ago we recognize that Iran has not made any moves consistent with acquiring a bomb? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/w...see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html?_r=0

Even though we recognized along with Israel that they arent close to getting a bomb and that Israelis admit that the Iranians are using their enriched uranium for legitimate scientific purposes and not weapon purposes? US and Israel Recognize Iran Not Near a Bomb
 
Any Iran/US nuke deal under this Administration will be just like the recent Cuban deal: Iran get's everything and gives nothing.
 
Any Iran/US nuke deal under this Administration will be just like the recent Cuban deal: Iran get's everything and gives nothing.

Whatd we give? Travel ban is still in place, most of the sanctions still are... We just normalized relations? Is that so bad? Or, wait... This is another one of those ****ty talking points.
 
i didn't see anything close to an agreement
only that they continue to talk

hopefully, long enough for iran to become the nuclear counterweight to israel in the region
 
Hmm even though years ago we recognize that Iran has not made any moves consistent with acquiring a bomb? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/w...see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html?_r=0

Even though we recognized along with Israel that they arent close to getting a bomb and that Israelis admit that the Iranians are using their enriched uranium for legitimate scientific purposes and not weapon purposes? US and Israel Recognize Iran Not Near a Bomb

Why did you post that article. The interview is interestg to read. That much is true. But the heart of the matter is that Obama certainly does not need Iran to get a nuclear weapon on his watch and the Iranian government knows a weakness, when presented. The spin of everything being presently reported is consistent with that assumption. I think pinning any hope to the political presentation here is wishful.
It is also irrelevant to strategy, or should be as long as the atomic weapons development hypothesis cannot be falsified and there is no program in place allowing continuing IAEA monitoring of Iran. I have thus far seen no such program and no such falsification.
Actually, the IAEA pointed out in a 2013 report that it was uneasy about Iranian activities that were expencive, inconsistent with peaceful use but were sensible within a military use context.
 
Even the OP says: It's not even 'tentative'.

This has been planted by the 'diplomats' and, it seems, Obama still sucks.

Mornin' Grant. :2wave: Even topping with the Headline. ;)


The agreement would require Tehran to ship to Russia much of the material needed for the building of an atomic bomb, diplomats tell AP; Iran denies preliminary deal reached.....snip~
 
i didn't see anything close to an agreement only that they continue to talk hopefully, long enough for iran to become the nuclear counterweight to israel in the region
Why are you hopeful of that? Do you feel you can trust Iran with a nuclear weapon?
 
Mornin' Grant. :2wave: Even topping with the Headline. ;) The agreement would require Tehran to ship to Russia much of the material needed for the building of an atomic bomb, diplomats tell AP; Iran denies preliminary deal reached.....snip~
Morning, MMC!:2wave:

Well if you can trust Putin, who can you trust??

It seems many optimists don't read the OP's through before they submit them.
 
Morning, MMC!:2wave:

Well if you can trust Putin, who can you trust??

It seems many optimists don't read the OP's through before they submit them.


Yeah, but TDS said he knows what tentatively means. It's just that the Iranians Idea of tentatively.....is to just say, NO! :lol:
 
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