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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, here, I'll give you a chance, how are Cuba's military expenditures calculated? Last chance to not look really bad for taking the 3 minutes it takes to look up how Rubio came up with the numbers he'll swear by.
    You made the claims guy, not me. Its going to be fascinating watching you prove you know what a sitting senator knows.

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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post


    Military expenditure (% of central government expenditure) | Data | Table




    Attachment 67177575

    Okay, so let's start with military expenditure. Apparently, Marco Rubio now knows something the World Bank doesn't.
    Prove he does not.

    World bank.

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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He knows more than think tanks dedicated to studying Cuba:

    http://www.ascecuba.org/c/wp-content...rlopez.fm_.pdf







    TL/DR Version: Cuba self reports however it wants, doesn't actually have any clear or reliable reports on military spending, doesn't report its figures to outside sources, everyone estimates what they may or may not spend. It's starting to look really bad for you.
    Of course they self report, just like many leftists facts are optional and they feel its more for PR than anything else. Now, prove what he knows.

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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Prove he does not.


    World bank.
    Monitoring Military Expenditures — www.sipri.org

    The great majority of countries nowadays make available at least basic military budget information, in many cases over the internet as well as in printed official documents. There are a few countries in the SIPRI database that at present make no data available at all: for the most recent years these are Cuba, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Guyana, Myanmar, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Also no data is available for Somalia due to the lack of a functioning central government.
    It's almost like you don't even know what you're defending anymore. As I stated: The numbers Rubio gave do not exist. They're not based on what is known by anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You made the claims guy, not me.

    Actually, Rubio made up the claims. I just disproved them. All it took was 10 minutes of research.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Of course they self report, just like many leftists facts are optional and they feel its more for PR than anything else. Now, prove what he knows.
    Marco Rubio is claiming to know what SIPRI(UN/World Bank/TI/IPU/CEIP all contribute to this database) doesn't. However that's not all he is claiming to know. Here is the CIA on military expenditure:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2034rank.html

    Guess what country is missing?

    ----------------------------------

    So in short, Marco Rubio is claiming to know a figure that the CIA doesn't have, that foreign organizations don't have, and that the Cuban government doesn't publish. Are you really this ​partisan? Do you really believe that because Marco Rubio is a Cuban-American he has access to information that the CIA doesn't have, that foreign groups don't have and that the Cuban government isn't giving out?

    You're failing hard in this thread.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 12-21-14 at 05:25 AM.
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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Monitoring Military Expenditures — www.sipri.org



    It's almost like you don't even know what you're defending anymore. As I stated: The numbers Rubio gave do not exist. They're not based on what is known by anyone.




    Actually, Rubio made up the claims. I just disproved them. All it took was 10 minutes of research.



    Marco Rubio is claiming to know what SIPRI(UN/World Bank/TI/IPU/CEIP all contribute to this database) doesn't. However that's not all he is claiming to know. Here is the CIA on military expenditure:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2034rank.html

    Guess what country is missing?

    ----------------------------------

    So in short, Marco Rubio is claiming to know a figure that the CIA doesn't have, that foreign organizations don't have, and that the Cuban government doesn't publish. Are you really this ​partisan? Do you really believe that because Marco Rubio is a Cuban-American he has access to information that the CIA doesn't have, that foreign groups don't have and that the Cuban government isn't giving out?

    You're failing hard in this thread.
    Its amusing watching you dance but you still have not proven whats Rubio and his committees know. Keep dancing....go!

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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its amusing watching you dance but you still have not proven whats Rubio and his committees know.
    That's not up for me to prove. What I have proven is that the numbers he has given out are contrary to what everyone - including our own intelligence community - knows. Who would a Senate committee rely on for intelligence on Cuba's military expenditures? C'man - you know the answer.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 12-21-14 at 05:33 AM.
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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not up for me to prove. What I have proven is that the numbers he has given out are contrary to what everyone - including our own intelligence community - knows.
    Prove what our intelligence community knows. YOU made that claim, now kindly back it.

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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Prove what our intelligence community knows.
    I just did, lmao. Did you notice that the CIA has the military expenditure of 130 countries, many of them dictatorships, but not Cuba or any country which doesn't report it? Your ignorance on this topic is becoming so painfully obvious. Here's the link again:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2034rank.html

    You're just trying to save face now by saying that we don't know what the CIA knows. However, we do know what the CIA knows. We know that if the CIA had the numbers, the expenditure would be published like those of every other dictatorship out there. Venezuela, DRC, Vietnam, China, they're all there. Cuba? Not there. North Korea? Not there. Why? Because these countries do not report their military expenditure.

    That you're still trying to argue that the CIA, SIPRI, the World Bank, etc know less than Rubio is pretty stupid at this point. The implications of your arguments are so ridiculous that you're basically saying that Rubio has more information than the CIA and global think tanks combined. Now that's just absurd for a guy whose argument hinged on the fact that Rubio's position as a senator gave him access to more data. What data is he using to get this information? The data that doesn't exist anywhere? lol.
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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I just did, lmao. Did you notice that the CIA has the military expenditure of 130 countries, many of them dictatorships, but not Cuba or any country which doesn't report it? Your ignorance on this topic is becoming so painfully obvious. Here's the link again:

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2034rank.html

    You're just trying to save face now by saying that we don't know what the CIA knows. However, we do know what the CIA knows. We know that if the CIA had the numbers, the expenditure would be published like those of every other dictatorship out there. Venezuela, DRC, Vietnam, China, they're all there. Cuba? Not there. North Korea? Not there. Why? Because these countries do not report their military expenditure.

    That you're still trying to argue that the CIA, SIPRI, the World Bank, etc know less than Rubio is pretty stupid at this point. The implications of your arguments are so ridiculous that you're basically saying that Rubio has more information than the CIA and global think tanks combined. Now that's just absurd for a guy whose argument hinged on the fact that Rubio's position as a senator gave him access to more data. What data is he using to get this information? The data that doesn't exist anywhere? lol.
    You still have not proven what the CIA or the Senate knows despite your silly claims. Its just not flying.

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    Re: Obama Apologizes to Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You still have not proven what the CIA or the Senate knows despite your silly claims. Its just not flying.
    I don't have to prove what they know. I just demonstrated what they don't know by their own admission. Their list of military expenditures doesn't include countries whose military expenditures the CIA doesn't know. Because Cuba is not posted, they don't know what Cuba's military expenditure is anymore than they know what NKs military expenditure is. That you continue to try and save face after being completely destroyed in this thread is absolutely precious though. Please keep going?
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