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    Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Drone strikes and other "targeted killings" of terrorist and insurgent leaders favoured by the US and supported by Australia can strengthen extremist groups and be counterproductive, according to a secret CIA report published by WikiLeaks.
    According to a leaked document by the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence, "high value targeting" (HVT) involving air strikes and special forces operations against insurgent leaders can be effective, but can also have negative effects including increasing violence and greater popular support for extremist groups.


    The leaked document is classified secret and "NoForn" (meaning not to be distributed to non-US nationals) and reviews attacks by the United States and other countries engaged in counter-insurgency operations over the past 50 years.


    The CIA assessment is the first leaked secret intelligence document published by WikiLeaks since 2011. Led by Australian publisher Julian Assange, the anti-secrecy group says the CIA assessment is the first in what will be a new series of leaked documents relating to the US agency.



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    Wait! Say it aint so? Drone strikes actually are counterproductive and lead to more terrorists and terrorist attacks?


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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Whether they are unproductive depends on what the goals are. If the goal is maintaining an endless supply of enemies in order to justify endless war, huge defense and intelligence expenditures, keeping defense and intelligence contractors wealthy and continuing the constant erosion of our civil liberties, drones and related tactics are a big success. Not to be cynical or anything.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    So the Obama administration has been engaging in counterproductive practices regarding terrorism? What a shock that is! I'm surprised to see Obamaphiles bashing him for that. When hardcore Obamaphiles are bashing Obama for his counterproductive policies, you know democrats are in serious trouble.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So the Obama administration has been engaging in counterproductive practices regarding terrorism? What a shock that is! I'm surprised to see Obamaphiles bashing him for that. When hardcore Obamaphiles are bashing Obama for his counterproductive policies, you know democrats are in serious trouble.
    The use of drone warfare is not unique with Obama. Believe the first strike in the War on Terror began in 2004. Its true to say that Obama however increased the amount of drone strikes. But to make this a simple partisan issue is pointless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The use of drone warfare is not unique with Obama. Believe the first strike in the War on Terror began in 2004. Its true to say that Obama however increased the amount of drone strikes. But to make this a simple partisan issue is pointless.
    I was actually congratulating you two on your non-partisan criticism of Obama. It's another one of those mistakes that Obama is making that he doesn't seem interested in fixing and I'm glad that it's not just conservatives that see it and criticize him for it.

    But I probably should also mention that nothing in the article actually supports the assertion that drone strikes ARE counterproductive. It merely CONTENDS that they MIGHT be and I think it's a weak contention. In order to make the case, there would have to be proof that droning creates more high ranking terrorists than it kills - or that the numbers of terrorist recruits gained JUST because high ranking terrorists get whacked are so high that the benefit to the terrorist groups is so great that it offsets the losses of high ranking officials whacked. Of course the article didn't come close to proving that. But I still applaud you and Hard Truth for your criticism of Obama's drone campaign. I'd have thought you two were too partisan to ever criticize "The Messiah" but I'm glad to see I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    ...But I still applaud you and Hard Truth for your criticism of Obama's drone campaign. I'd have thought you two were too partisan to ever criticize "The Messiah" but I'm glad to see I'm wrong.
    Thanks but I don't consider myself an Obamaphile. I liked his positions as a candidate in 2008 but I also knew he couldn't be too good with all the support from Wall Street that he had. In too many cases his positions as candidate were not his positions as President. I nearly always vote for Democrats because they are the lesser evil, not because they are all that great. I am happy with my congressional representative and most of the local office holders, but on a national level most are too centrist.

    I have very mixed feelings about drones, they are problematic, but the alternatives to drones use could be even worse. My main concern is that they are making killing without due process or risk to our side too easy, which could encourage expanding their use, including to domestic use.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Whether they are unproductive depends on what the goals are. If the goal is maintaining an endless supply of enemies in order to justify endless war, huge defense and intelligence expenditures, keeping defense and intelligence contractors wealthy and continuing the constant erosion of our civil liberties, drones and related tactics are a big success. Not to be cynical or anything.
    It would be more cynical if this wasn't the track record of the past 15 + years.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    But apparently torturing is productive. Right, CIA?
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The use of drone warfare is not unique with Obama. Believe the first strike in the War on Terror began in 2004. Its true to say that Obama however increased the amount of drone strikes. But to make this a simple partisan issue is pointless.
    Drones were developed as a tool of war and first used in the field under President Bush, but only in the theater of war. President Obama and his administration decided to use the drone program for state sponsored assassinations outside of war zones and in sovereign countries with or without those countries' approval. To deny that is partisanship and pointless.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So the Obama administration has been engaging in counterproductive practices regarding terrorism? What a shock that is! I'm surprised to see Obamaphiles bashing him for that. When hardcore Obamaphiles are bashing Obama for his counterproductive policies, you know democrats are in serious trouble.
    Maybe if people like you had been criticizing Obama for the right reasons, instead of scandal dandruff like Benghazi or his Birth Certificate, you would have had liberal partners on your side from the beginning. Obama's continued use of drone strikes is a disgrace to his presidency, and he will not be remembered well for it. We've been saying this since almost day one.

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