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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    drone strikes are fine when the intelligence used to target is legit many times ( Yemen particularity ) intel is crappy

    Signature strikes are not useful, and IMHO come darn close to war crimes ,, Some good background here:

    Everything We Know So Far About Drone Strikes - ProPublica

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    We are playing wack a mole with terrorism in the middle east, leaving a wake if destruction behind wherever we strike. We were never going to wipe out everybody that hated us, but what we have been doing all along is making more enemies.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In my opinion, fighting a war on a certain tactic (terror) is never gonna work. Its an endless war.
    Yup and that's exactly what the military industrial complex wanted. Endless war. Makes billions...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    drone strikes are fine when the intelligence used to target is legit many times ( Yemen particularity ) intel is crappy

    Signature strikes are not useful, and IMHO come darn close to war crimes ,, Some good background here:

    Everything We Know So Far About Drone Strikes - ProPublica
    They don't come close to war crimes, they are war crimes in some cases. Attacking the signature of a cell phone is moronic when you have no real idea who is on the other end...

    They are also the best recruiting tool groups like IS and AQ have. If you drone strike my grandma while she is picking crops in a field, I would probably go join the opposition immediately.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ehman-congress
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    You are right about the logical fallacy of over generalizing. But then you commit the logical fallacy yourself by assuming Papa Bull was steeped in propaganda. I would tend to agree with Papa Bull that there seems to be less discussion about Obama war crimes versus Bush war crimes (despite the dramatic increase in drone targeted killings) but that is just a hunch and not "steeped in propaganda. It would be interesting to see a good study about this issue. I just googled "articles about bush war crimes written in 2009" and "articles about obama war crimes written in 2009" and Bush took the championship with 14,400,000 items versus 3,400,000.
    But, yeah, not a scientific poll.
    Look at genuinely liberal news and opinion sources such as Democracy Now, the Guardian, Pacifica radio, the Nation, Mother Jones, the Progressive, they have never given Obama a pass for continuing the wars, expanding the wars, drone killings, renditions etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Look at genuinely liberal news and opinion sources such as Democracy Now, the Guardian, Pacifica radio, the Nation, Mother Jones, the Progressive, they have never given Obama a pass for continuing the wars, expanding the wars, drone killings, renditions etc.
    I like common dreams allot to... If you don't read em give em a go...

    Sometimes I like tyt as well, they are especially good at the middle east because the founder is from their and understands the dynamics a hellofallot better than most anchors...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    They don't come close to war crimes, they are war crimes in some cases. Attacking the signature of a cell phone is moronic when you have no real idea who is on the other end...

    They are also the best recruiting tool groups like IS and AQ have. If you drone strike my grandma while she is picking crops in a field, I would probably go join the opposition immediately.

    Family of grandmother killed in US drone strike arrive for Congress visit | World news | The Guardian
    completely agree.
    Drones are like any weapon where the targeting makes them effective, or just murderous

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    Afghan officials say NATO air strike kills five civilians – The Express Tribune

    airstrike hit a house, no sure if it was a drone. today

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

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    Afghan officials say NATO air strike kills five civilians The Express Tribune

    airstrike hit a house, no sure if it was a drone. today
    Its so sad... This stuff is so unnecessary. Obviously not hitting civilians is not a big priority...

    Its just as likely a ac-130 or fighter jets...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Its so sad... This stuff is so unnecessary. Obviously not hitting civilians is not a big priority...

    Its just as likely a ac-130 or fighter jets...
    So the drone is targeted after known Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives, and shoots a missile into their meeting killing them.

    What then, does that make the 'civilians' who are hosting their meeting. Material support?

    Thing of it is that we keep hearing of reports about civilians killed in drone strikes, but we never get the back story of what these 'civilians' were doing in such close proximity to known Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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