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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree - the mountainous border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan, in my view, were part of the war zone and subject to the Congressional authorization to go to war with Afghanistan. As the Taliban and Al Qaeda scurried into the mountains, the US and coalition forces followed them, drones being necessary to find and weed them out. Pakistan, as a military ally of the US, was consulted and agreed to the US requests to follow the Taliban and Al Qaeda into these regions. Their opposition began when the strikes started taking out innocents, including women and children.

    I stand by my statement that Bush began using drones as a military tool in the Afghanistan war and Obama expanded the program to make it a tool of assassination in sovereign nations not at war with the US.
    You are lying about what you said. You did not say "Bush began using drones as a military tool in the Afghanistan war"; What you actually said was
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    Drones were developed as a tool of war and first used in the field under President Bush, but only in the theater of war.
    Obama has not used drones in any nation that bush used drones in. If they were "theaters of war" under bush* then they are "theaters of war" under Obama
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    You mean the Pakistanis only started to vehemently object. They objected before, and where not heard. Furthermore that does not excuse striking a deal with a intelligence agency instead of the government. That's akin to the CIA making a deal to bomb Americans at home with no government approval.

    Also he actually ramped up the targeted attack programs in Pakistan leading up until Obamas election, regardless of civilian casualties. That's simply untrue that he did not.

    Bush also briefly put troops on the ground in somalia and Pakistan, and these accounts do not include anything still classified or that we did not find out through news sources/other governments.

    In somalia bush used ac130 gunships, cruise missiles from boats,t and attack helicopters to kill a unknown amount of people including civilians. They also hired war lords to capture and sell people back to them, which actually strengthen AQ in that region.

    According to the un the attack in Yemen was extrajudicial and illegal. we ignored them of course, and they did nothing. A year later rumsfeld issued the secret al quadea network executive order, which basically claimed the world as a battle zone for anti al quadea forces. This is obviously bs and a huge stretch of the imagination on their part. The world was a war zone in the eyes of the bush administration. So I guess your right, but its obvious baloney...

    Again none of this includes anything still classified, and allot of this we know from foreign governments or was pieced together by news agency's. It would be silly not to assume their are more strikes that went undocumented and unreleased.
    CJ's position is that a "theater of war" is whatever he defines it as and "permission from the govt" is also "whatever he defines it as" and witih both terms, his definition depends on who was president at the time.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Wait! Say it aint so? Drone strikes actually are counterproductive and lead to more terrorists and terrorist attacks? [/FONT][/COLOR]
    So lets see, Torture doesn't work. Detention centers like Gitmo don't work since they are supposedly recruiting tools. Ground troops are out of the question. And now drone strikes don't work either. Exactly what do liberals claim WILL work in the battle against radical muslims who wish to harm America and its interests?

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    EXACTLY. The left didn't care about drone attacks. The left just cared about castigating Bush. The fact that their "care" evaporated into thin air faster than a car park puddle in a heat wave when Obama was elected clears up any uncertainty about that.
    The left never stopped protesting drones. Here's something from just a few months after Obama became president

    Concern Mounts Over US Predator Covert Killings | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    CJ's position is that a "theater of war" is whatever he defines it as and "permission from the govt" is also "whatever he defines it as" and witih both terms, his definition depends on who was president at the time.
    Yes I sorta realized that, I just like debunking such things...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    They have a value in real wars, not this... The only place the belong is in wars, not for executions abroad outside courts and law, and certainly not signature strikes...
    They are a part of warfare. Al-Qaeda is a beast unlike any other that we've fought so far - fighting it is similar to fighting crime due to its transnational presence and the impossibility of fully defeating it, but it is a military engagement rather than justice or law enforcement. If there was some easier, safer, more practical way of capturing or killing terrorists, I'd be all for it, but so far drones are easier, safer, and more practical than any other method we have at our disposal.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    They are a part of warfare. Al-Qaeda is a beast unlike any other that we've fought so far - fighting it is similar to fighting crime due to its transnational presence and the impossibility to fully defeat it, but it is a military engagement rather than justice or law enforcement. If there was some easier, safer, more practical way of capturing or killing terrorists, I'd be all for it, but so far drones are easier, safer, and more practical than any other method we have at our disposal.
    Ummmmm no they are not, especially in signature strikes. Signature strikes have proven to be horridly unsafe to civilian populations...

    Furthermore we could try negotiating with them, we could appeal to the un, we could call for a peaceful resolution of any sort...

    If you admit its a unwinnable war, then what's the point of fighting it?

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So lets see, Torture doesn't work. Detention centers like Gitmo don't work since they are supposedly recruiting tools. Ground troops are out of the question. And now drone strikes don't work either. Exactly what do liberals claim WILL work in the battle against radical muslims who wish to harm America and its interests?
    Wowh woah woah woah. This wasnt "liberals" claiming this, this was from the CIA itself claiming this...


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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wowh woah woah woah. This wasnt "liberals" claiming this, this was from the CIA itself claiming this...
    Ok, so what does work then?

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Ok, so what does work then?
    In my opinion, fighting a war on a certain tactic (terror) is never gonna work. Its an endless war.


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