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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    The left where the first critics of the drone campaign, but what evs...

    Actually the reason it raises terrorist is from killing innocents, not terrorists. When we drone strike peoples grandmas and children it makes people in the region flock to terrorists groups.
    I agree with most of this.

    The issue I have is that the left were it's first critics UNTIL THEIR GUY GOT THE CONTROL of the drones.

    I was still gullible enough to think the left was legitimate in the concern for people. As this all happened, it made me realize that the only real concern the left possesses is the concern for power.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I agree with most of this.

    The issue I have is that the left were it's first critics UNTIL THEIR GUY GOT THE CONTROL of the drones.

    I was still gullible enough to think the left was legitimate in the concern for people. As this all happened, it made me realize that the only real concern the left possesses is the concern for power.
    EXACTLY. The left didn't care about drone attacks. The left just cared about castigating Bush. The fact that their "care" evaporated into thin air faster than a car park puddle in a heat wave when Obama was elected clears up any uncertainty about that.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    EXACTLY. The left didn't care about drone attacks. The left just cared about castigating Bush. The fact that their "care" evaporated into thin air faster than a car park puddle in a heat wave when Obama was elected clears up any uncertainty about that.
    It is a high percentage prediction that ACTUALLY some good men on the right and some good men on the left oppose the drone attacks, even as the majority on both sides support the drone activity. But they are a distinct minority.

    The point is there is precious little difference between the Right and the Left. The 2 party paradigm is a rhetorical and political tool to mislead the most unsophisticated electorate.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The point is there is precious little difference between the Right and the Left. The 2 party paradigm is a rhetorical and political tool to mislead the most unsophisticated electorate.
    Right. Aside from the irreconcilable political differences between the right and left, which leaves them disagreeing vehemently on just about every political issue.... aside from that, they're exactly the same. They're both "parties". They're both "political". They're both "human". Only the great chasm between their nearly polar opposite political philosophies differentiates one from the other. It's a subtle difference but people who are paying close attention can see it.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Right. Aside from the irreconcilable political differences between the right and left, which leaves them disagreeing vehemently on just about every political issue.... aside from that, they're exactly the same. They're both "parties". They're both "political". They're both "human". Only the great chasm between their nearly polar opposite political philosophies differentiates one from the other. It's a subtle difference but people who are paying close attention can see it.
    Their "different philosophies" is very much an illusion, another tool to trick the voters.

    Their actions while in office (proof is in the pudding) are the real indicator of their philosophies.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Their "different philosophies" is very much an illusion, another tool to trick the voters.

    Their actions while in office (proof is in the pudding) are the real indicator of their philosophies.
    I know you can count on them to vote directly opposite on virtually all political issues. These politicians are exactly the same in that they vote. They're exactly opposite (right and left) in that they virtually always oppose each other and usually land very predictably on the issues. Except that I can count on a democrat to vote in favor of more gun regulations and a republican to vote against more gun regulations, they're exactly the same. But that I can count on a democrat voting in favor of higher taxes on the rich and a republican against higher taxes on the rich, they're exactly the same. But that I can count on democrats voting for additional means-tested welfare programs and payments and republicans voting against that, they're exactly the same. They are damned near identical on everything except for all the things they oppose each other on.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    If the left has been complaining about Obama, they've done it in the hushed whispers behind closed doors in soundproof rooms where no one else could hear them.
    Or a far more likely scenario is you don't read the paper. They didn't do it on TV, they certainly have in print. Or on YouTube news like tyt or the lip.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I agree with most of this.

    The issue I have is that the left were it's first critics UNTIL THEIR GUY GOT THE CONTROL of the drones.

    I was still gullible enough to think the left was legitimate in the concern for people. As this all happened, it made me realize that the only real concern the left possesses is the concern for power.
    That really depends on which part of the left. As I said earlier in the papers or on YouTube news channels people where criticizing Obama 6 months or less after he took office.

    In the mm not so much...

    But really those in the mass media are centrists on both sides, but especially on the left. Heck Obama himself is a HUGE centrist.

    You thought anybody running for office did it for the people? I mean, maybe Bernie sanders but since he started supporting Israel and voted to support the military industrial complex a few times I have my doubts...

    They do it for money and power. If people that cared about people ran then Noam Chomsky would have been president long ago. I would loveeee to see any politician debate him in a presidential debate. He would make them look like stammering morons...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    EXACTLY. The left didn't care about drone attacks. The left just cared about castigating Bush. The fact that their "care" evaporated into thin air faster than a car park puddle in a heat wave when Obama was elected clears up any uncertainty about that.
    To bad that's not a fact.

    Again in the mm your right, but in print and less main stream TV sources your wrong. They are the ones that brought Obamas drone strikes to lite in the first place!

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I know you can count on them to vote directly opposite on virtually all political issues. These politicians are exactly the same in that they vote. They're exactly opposite (right and left) in that they virtually always oppose each other and usually land very predictably on the issues. Except that I can count on a democrat to vote in favor of more gun regulations and a republican to vote against more gun regulations, they're exactly the same. But that I can count on a democrat voting in favor of higher taxes on the rich and a republican against higher taxes on the rich, they're exactly the same. But that I can count on democrats voting for additional means-tested welfare programs and payments and republicans voting against that, they're exactly the same. They are damned near identical on everything except for all the things they oppose each other on.
    Actually every democratic president (and republican one) has lowered capital gains tax, a tax that pretty much exclusively effects the rich.

    I believe Clinton actually lowered it more then bush sr.

    And they both agree on war. They differ in what they want to spend, but they agree war is good.

    You really can tell what any politician will do based on who gave them money. Bush had lots of money from oil and military, Obama banks, go figure...

    Oh and there are plenty of politicians that go across party lines because of their constituency. Some dems are pro life and gun in the south, some republicans anti war, Romney enacted something very close to Obama care. Although the whole idea of the ACA was thought up in the 80s by a republican think tank.

    Feinstein is a dem and for a massive security state, charlie dent is a republican and pro choice. Like I said it really depends on who gives em money, and what will help them get elected...
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