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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Bush struck Pakistan among other country's outside the theatre of war.
    As noted above, the areas of Pakistan targeted were with the consent of Pakistan and were to target Taliban and Al Qaeda who were fleeing Afghanistan. It was part of the war effort and thus within the theatre of war.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As noted above, the areas of Pakistan targeted were with the consent of Pakistan and were to target Taliban and Al Qaeda who were fleeing Afghanistan. It was part of the war effort and thus within the theatre of war.
    What about the bush strikes in Yemen that killed us citizens?

    They got permission from Pakistani intelligence, not government. Big diff. Furthermore they have not released the specifications of the deal, so we have no idea if it was violated.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    What about the bush strikes in Yemen that killed us citizens?

    They got permission from Pakistani intelligence, not government. Big diff. Furthermore they have not released the specifications of the deal, so we have no idea if it was violated.
    One attack, in 2002, with the approval and cooperation of the Yemeni government, to take out the mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole that killed 17 Americans. And nothing after that until 2009 under Obama.

    The Pakistanis only started to object after civilians were killed and the Bush administration pulled back on the attacks when Pakistan started to object.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    You said the time in between Korea and nam. Korea ended in 53 and nam started in 55.

    Obviously you know nothing of history.

    Love how your ignoring the fact that a large segment of america was unequal, and thus quite unhappy during that time...
    I was talking about the US involvement in Vietnam. In 1955 Americans had never heard of the place. Obviously you know nothing about history.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    I've been saying for some time now that pretty much nobody is happy when you drop bombs in their country, regardless of your stated reason for doing so.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    One attack, in 2002, with the approval and cooperation of the Yemeni government, to take out the mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole that killed 17 Americans. And nothing after that until 2009 under Obama.

    The Pakistanis only started to object after civilians were killed and the Bush administration pulled back on the attacks when Pakistan started to object.
    You mean the Pakistanis only started to vehemently object. They objected before, and where not heard. Furthermore that does not excuse striking a deal with a intelligence agency instead of the government. That's akin to the CIA making a deal to bomb Americans at home with no government approval.

    Also he actually ramped up the targeted attack programs in Pakistan leading up until Obamas election, regardless of civilian casualties. That's simply untrue that he did not.

    Bush also briefly put troops on the ground in somalia and Pakistan, and these accounts do not include anything still classified or that we did not find out through news sources/other governments.

    In somalia bush used ac130 gunships, cruise missiles from boats,t and attack helicopters to kill a unknown amount of people including civilians. They also hired war lords to capture and sell people back to them, which actually strengthen AQ in that region.

    According to the un the attack in Yemen was extrajudicial and illegal. we ignored them of course, and they did nothing. A year later rumsfeld issued the secret al quadea network executive order, which basically claimed the world as a battle zone for anti al quadea forces. This is obviously bs and a huge stretch of the imagination on their part. The world was a war zone in the eyes of the bush administration. So I guess your right, but its obvious baloney...

    Again none of this includes anything still classified, and allot of this we know from foreign governments or was pieced together by news agency's. It would be silly not to assume their are more strikes that went undocumented and unreleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I was talking about the US involvement in Vietnam. In 1955 Americans had never heard of the place. Obviously you know nothing about history.
    Hilarious.

    Beginning in 1950, American military advisors arrived in what was then French Indochina.[38][A 3] U.S. involvement escalated in the early 1960s, with troop levels tripling in 1961 and again in 1962.
    We had troops their in 1950... I thought it was 55, when the military conflict formally started (technically we haven't declared war since ww2)

    And who does not know about history?

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    In media the left STARTED complaining about the drones, not the right.
    Bullcrap. The left STARTED complaining about Bush and kept complaining until Obama took office, at which point, there were no more complaints about anything the president was doing, including drone strokes, Gitmo, Iraq, new wars, etc. etc. Hypocrisy just reeks from every pore of the left.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Bullcrap. The left STARTED complaining about Bush and kept complaining until Obama took office, at which point, there were no more complaints about anything the president was doing, including drone strokes, Gitmo, Iraq, new wars, etc. etc. Hypocrisy just reeks from every pore of the left.
    Your just ignorant to the facts. The left continued complaining about all those things and more. (Like many broken campaign promises, single payer, pardoning those unfairly punished in the drug war, and many many other things...)

    Maybe they didn't do this on TV, but everyone on tv in the "left" is really a centrist or even right leaning now a days. In print they never stopped complaining... Really both the left and right on TV are corporatist shills. It just so happens the corporations like the right more because of war, taxes, and deregulation, although the left has done all these things as well, just not quite as much...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Your just ignorant to the facts. The left continued complaining about all those things and more. (Like many broken campaign promises, single payer, pardoning those unfairly punished in the drug war, and many many other things...)

    Maybe they didn't do this on TV, but everyone on tv in the "left" is really a centrist or even right leaning now a days. In print they never stopped complaining... Really both the left and right on TV are corporatist shills. It just so happens the corporations like the right more because of war, taxes, and deregulation, although the left has done all these things as well, just not quite as much...
    If the left has been complaining about Obama, they've done it in the hushed whispers behind closed doors in soundproof rooms where no one else could hear them.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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