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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Drones were developed as a tool of war and first used in the field under President Bush, but only in the theater of war. President Obama and his administration decided to use the drone program for state sponsored assassinations outside of war zones and in sovereign countries with or without those countries' approval. To deny that is partisanship and pointless.
    Bush struck Pakistan among other country's outside the theatre of war.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    The left where the first critics of the drone campaign, but what evs...
    The left has been remarkably silent about Obama's drone campaign. Even in this thread, the lefties only seem to want to talk about Bush. Now go figure, huh?

    Actually the reason it raises terrorist is from killing innocents, not terrorists. When we drone strike peoples grandmas and children it makes people in the region flock to terrorists groups.
    Well, maybe you should be drumming up more outrage against Obama, then.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    It would also help if the left didn't become a group of hypocrites... hating on bush for everything he was doing, and then using bush's actions as justification for more of the same when Obama came on the scene.

    (Not saying the right are not equally hypocrites for different reasons)
    Ummmm how did the left do this? They condemn bush unjust for war, and condemn Obama for the same unjust war.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Drone bombing Muslims gives people the impression that he's fighting the War on Terror (still popular among centrists and the right-wing) without sacrificing troops. Seems like a sad political calculation more than anything...
    The war on terror was a sad political calculation as was the war on "communism" or drugs...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Seems the only defense Obamaphiles have is "but but but Bush". Between that and "you're racist" they have all bases covered.
    Most people condemn allot of what Obama does, we just don't for common sense policy like expanding healthcare.

    If it weren't for radical conservatives it would be single payer and cheaper still for everybody.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I certainly don't know that. If I look back on my life I would say Americans were happiest during the period between the Korean and Vietnam wars - a time of peace.
    What? The two years between 53 and 55?

    And seeing as Jim crow laws still existed then, I find that a highly dubious comment...

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The left has been remarkably silent about Obama's drone campaign. Even in this thread, the lefties only seem to want to talk about Bush. Now go figure, huh?



    Well, maybe you should be drumming up more outrage against Obama, then.
    In media the left STARTED complaining about the drones, not the right.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Wait! Say it aint so? Drone strikes actually are counterproductive and lead to more terrorists and terrorist attacks? [/FONT][/COLOR]


    The CIA study observes that the US-led coalition in Afghanistan made "a sustained effort since 2001 to target Taliban leaders", but "Afghan government corruption and lack of unity, insufficient strength of Afghan and NATO security forces, and the country's endemic lawlessness have constrained the effectiveness of these counter-insurgency elements".

    "Senior Taliban leaders' use of sanctuary in Pakistan has also complicated the HVT effort," the CIA says. "Moreover, the Taliban has a high overall ability to replace lost leaders, a centralised but flexible command and control overlaid with egalitarian Pashtun structures, and good succession planning and bench strength, especially at the middle levels."

    Fifteen years of continuous warfare, hundreds of thousands of lives claimed and they are NOW beginning to think maybe they have not been very effective?

    I wonder too, if the deliberate failure to share this kind of intelligence with allies, "NoForm", has help and abetted the "lack of unity" and/or whether the lives of allied troops have not been jeopardized by not sharing it.

    You keep secrets from your enemy, not your friends. I will never again support Canadian support for a US military operation.
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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    What? The two years between 53 and 55?

    And seeing as Jim crow laws still existed then, I find that a highly dubious comment...
    No, the decade between 53 and 63. Obviously you have no personal experience with that time period so I'll be on my way.

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    Re: Drone strikes counterproductive, says secret CIA report

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    No, the decade between 53 and 63. Obviously you have no personal experience with that time period so I'll be on my way.
    You said the time in between Korea and nam. Korea ended in 53 and nam started in 55.

    Obviously you know nothing of history.

    Love how your ignoring the fact that a large segment of america was unequal, and thus quite unhappy during that time...

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