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Demario Bailey, 15, fatally shot during robbery attempt, police say suspects in custo

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The blacks? I mean, it's their fault their black, right?

This whole thing seems like a ridiculous argument to me. Are we really arguing about which is a worse problem, white cops killing blacks, or blacks killing blacks? If you ask me, anyone killing anyone is a problem. Why can't we address both issues equally?

I find it hard to understand that a person reaction to Eric Garners death being one of "Oh yea, well, black people kill more black people a year than police!" It's a nonsensical argument.

90% of black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Hmmm...you're right. That's no big deal. What the hell were we thinking?

OK, boys, let's pack it up. Chaddelamancha thinks we should just shut up and let black folks just kill each other off.
 
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Being racially profiled by the police is a real problem in the black community.

Actually no it's not. How does one racially profile in a black neighborhood?
 
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90% of black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Hmmm...you're right. That's no big deal. What the hell were we thinking?

OK, boys, let's pack it up. Chaddelamancha thinks we should just shut up and let black folks just kill each other off.

The next honest argument you make in this thread will be the first. That's not even remotely close to what Chaddelamancha said and you damn well know it.
 
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The next honest argument you make in this thread will be the first. That's not even remotely close to what Chaddelamancha said and you damn well know it.

That's exactly what he said.
 
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That's exactly what he said.

"Why can't we address both issues equally." THAT is exactly what he said. You are simply lying again.
 
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"Why can't we address both issues equally." THAT is exactly what he said. You are simply lying again.

Addressing both issue equally is the last thing you people want to do. Over 100 posts and none of you have discussed the death of this little boy. The only thing you want to do is go on about racism and other kinds of bull****, name calling, personal attacks, etc.
 
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Addressing both issue equally is the last thing you people want to do. Over 100 posts and none of you have discussed the death of this little boy. The only thing you want to do is go on about racism and other kinds of bull****, name calling, personal attacks, etc.

What, exactly, are we supposed to say? Is everyone supposed to give a cursory "wow, that's pretty awful" before discussing the issues? It goes without saying that it's a terrible tragedy.

You don't even want to discuss the issues simultaneously. It's pretty clear you have NO interest in discussing the growing epidemic of violence between police and young males.
 
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What, exactly, are we supposed to say? Is everyone supposed to give a cursory "wow, that's pretty awful" before discussing the issues? It goes without saying that it's a terrible tragedy.

You don't even want to discuss the issues simultaneously. It's pretty clear you have NO interest in discussing the growing epidemic of violence between police and young males.

Nothing, kobie. We certainly don't expect anything.

You have said plenty. This post proves my point.
 
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Nothing, kobie. We certainly don't expect anything.

You have said plenty. This post proves my point.

I don't even know what the hell your point IS.

BTW, I went back through and looked at the entire thread. You know who else hasn't said a word about the death of this young boy, outside of castigating others for the same? YOU.
 
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I don't even know what the hell your point IS.

BTW, I went back through and looked at the entire thread. You know who else hasn't said a word about the death of this young boy, outside of castigating others for the same? YOU.

Of course you don't know what my point is. :lamp

And, that's a damn lie...
Oh yeah? Where the **** are the race hustlers, now? There's a 15 y/o boy--an actual kid this time--dead and all you people can do is scream, "raaaaaciiiiist!".
 
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Of course you don't know what my point is. :lamp

And, that's a damn lie...

Ah, so you mentioned it ... in an attack. You're a saint.
 
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The blacks? I mean, it's their fault their black, right?

This whole thing seems like a ridiculous argument to me. Are we really arguing about which is a worse problem, white cops killing blacks, or blacks killing blacks? If you ask me, anyone killing anyone is a problem. Why can't we address both issues equally?

I find it hard to understand that a person reaction to Eric Garners death being one of "Oh yea, well, black people kill more black people a year than police!" It's a nonsensical argument.
If it wasnt brought up in that manner it would NEVER be discussed. Literally never.

Perhaps the problem is what is actually brought up. Police brutality is a 'problem' when it occurs. Its not something that involves a majority of law enforcement and its not something that is done only towards blacks. And yet...the discussion about it IS racial. THATS why the discussion of day to day killing gets brought up. There IS no discussion of brutality in general or questioning of police shootings in general. Please dont pretend there is. If that were the case the conversation would not be led with the hashtag #Blacklivesmatter. So SINCE the only discussion is about black lives mattering, then why do the black lives that are lost at the hands of law enforcement 'matter' and not the 10,000+ lost at the hands of other blacks?
 
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Ah, so you mentioned it ... in an attack. You're a saint.

Its funny to see Liberals whine about being attacked.
 
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Thanks, I will go about arguing with the rational ones. If this is the message that you got from my post, then you're not worth having a rational discourse with.

90% of black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Hmmm...you're right. That's no big deal. What the hell were we thinking?

OK, boys, let's pack it up. Chaddelamancha thinks we should just shut up and let black folks just kill each other off.
 
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If you want to argue about police brutality in general and not just limit it to blacks, then go right ahead. It makes sense to want to do that in light of these high profile cases. But using the argument "What about Blacks killing more Blacks" doesn't do any good, it just muddles the waters.

And to say that black on black crimes are never discussed is just dishonest. EVERYtime that there is a high profile race related crime involving blacks, this argument is brought up.

If it wasnt brought up in that manner it would NEVER be discussed. Literally never.

Perhaps the problem is what is actually brought up. Police brutality is a 'problem' when it occurs. Its not something that involves a majority of law enforcement and its not something that is done only towards blacks. And yet...the discussion about it IS racial. THATS why the discussion of day to day killing gets brought up. There IS no discussion of brutality in general or questioning of police shootings in general. Please dont pretend there is. If that were the case the conversation would not be led with the hashtag #Blacklivesmatter. So SINCE the only discussion is about black lives mattering, then why do the black lives that are lost at the hands of law enforcement 'matter' and not the 10,000+ lost at the hands of other blacks?
 
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If you want to argue about police brutality in general and not just limit it to blacks, then go right ahead. It makes sense to want to do that in light of these high profile cases. But using the argument "What about Blacks killing more Blacks" doesn't do any good, it just muddles the waters.

And to say that black on black crimes are never discussed is just dishonest. EVERY time that there is a high profile race related crime involving blacks, this argument is brought up.
The fact is that the argument IS very clearly defined. Its not ABOUT police brutality in general...its about 'black'. That couldnt be made more abundantly clear. Its in the posters, the literature, the commentary. You have a female college president scolded for saying 'all lives matter' because 'all lives' detracts from the message 'black lives'. You have white protesters in Ferguson MO given rules on where to stand and how to act and to make sure that any media contact is referred to a black person because it is a black matter. Race is infused into this argument by the proponents. So...DO 'black lives' matter or not? Do a handful of questionable deaths at the hands of the police 'matter, as opposed to well over 10 THOUSAND deaths at the hands of black people? DO "black lives matter" or is that just a slogan?

Your last line kind of makes the point. The ONLY time it is considered is when it is brought up during a racial incident and then, there is no dialogue...just a desperate attempt to run away from the facts.
 
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Trying really hard to get people like you to actually engage in the discussions. But black lives only matter to you when it is a white guy (and preferably a cop) that takes it.
Yes, if only I were engaged in the discussion to your satisfaction, that's what would have prevented this of horrible situation.
 
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Yes, if only I were engaged in the discussion to your satisfaction, that's what would have prevented this of horrible situation.

Nah. Don't engage. At all. Why should you? It's not like black lives REALLY matter. Just the ones you can exploit.
 
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Nobody is saying that black on black crime isn't a problem.


The fact is that the argument IS very clearly defined. Its not ABOUT police brutality in general...its about 'black'. That couldnt be made more abundantly clear. Its in the posters, the literature, the commentary. You have a female college president scolded for saying 'all lives matter' because 'all lives' detracts from the message 'black lives'. You have white protesters in Ferguson MO given rules on where to stand and how to act and to make sure that any media contact is referred to a black person because it is a black matter. Race is infused into this argument by the proponents. So...DO 'black lives' matter or not? Do a handful of questionable deaths at the hands of the police 'matter, as opposed to well over 10 THOUSAND deaths at the hands of black people? DO "black lives matter" or is that just a slogan?

Your last line kind of makes the point. The ONLY time it is considered is when it is brought up during a racial incident and then, there is no dialogue...just a desperate attempt to run away from the facts.
 
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Nah. Don't engage. At all. Why should you? It's not like black lives REALLY matter. Just the ones you can exploit.

As if the right ever cares about black lives when they can't be exploited.
 
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Nobody is saying that black on black crime isn't a problem.
The problem is that no one is saying it IS.

Imagine the potential for change if instead of engaging only 3 times in almost 8 years now and only to pop in and comment wrongly about a case involving a cop and a professor, wrongly involving his 'son, and sending a delegation to the funeral of a thug who the evidence clearly shows attacked a store clerk and a cop...instead of picking 3 very bad moments to pander to the black community the president made it a consistent effort to bring in community leaders, religious leaders, education leaders, and business leaders, and specifically acted to help stem the tide of black on black crime, to promote a better and stronger sense of community with more and more effective police relationships, rebuilding and renovating dwellings, improved the education system (not just throw money at it but improve it, build some tech schools to train people for decent middle to upper middle income jobs, and then enticed and even if necessary subsidized US and foreign industry to build and employ in communities accessible to the black population. Change overnight? Nah. WOuld it cost money? Yep and we would need both government and private investment. but we COULD actually see long term change.

Or....

we can just continue to ignore the actual problems and hold riots and rallies whenever we get the chance.
 
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Wasn't our president supposed to have been a community organizer?
 
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As if the right ever cares about black lives when they can't be exploited.

I would say a far more accurate statement would be that most on the right dont bother trying to exploit the black community because there is no value added...no profit. Nothing they say or do is likely to hold return on investment. On the other hand, the left is absolutely invested in exploiting black lives...they just arent invested in HELPING black lives.

Now...have we got that out of the way? Care to address the reality that we see millions chanting, rioting, protesting, looting, all triggered by a thug dying by his own actions and a questionable grand jury decision. Because...you know...black lives matter. Meanwhile, 3700 black people have been killed by black on black gun violence alone since those 2. and no one cares.
 
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The problem is that no one is saying it IS.

The only thing you've proven with that statement is how you ignore what black people are saying so that you can exploit the deaths of black people

Black People Are Not Ignoring 'Black on Black' Crime - The Atlantic

Why Don't Black People Protest 'Black-on-Black Violence'? - The Atlantic

'Stop the Violence' march seeks to continue to help reduce violent crime in Saginaw | MLive.com

Help us stop the killing, Gary officials, residents implore - Post-Tribune

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I would say a far more accurate statement would be that most on the right dont bother trying to exploit the black community

You are exploiting black lives every time you claim that no one is protesting black on black violence in order to distract attention from the deaths of black people at the hands of police officers.

Now...have we got that out of the way? Care to address the reality that we see millions chanting, rioting, protesting, looting, all triggered by a thug dying by his own actions and a questionable grand jury decision. Because...you know...black lives matter. Meanwhile, 3700 black people have been killed by black on black gun violence alone since those 2. and no one cares.

You can lie all you want about how no one cares but all you're proving is how your exploitation of the deaths of black people requires dishonesty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Violence_Movement

The Stop the Violence Movement was begun by rapper KRS-One in 1989 in response to violence in the hip hop and African American communities.

In 1988, during a concert by Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy, a young fan was killed in a fight. The killing occurred shortly after Scott La Rock, a founding member of Boogie Down Productions, was killed in a shooting. KRS-One responded to these deaths by forming the Stop the Violence Movement to advance a vision of hip hop that would restore what he called hip hop's original principles to the music industry

KRS-One once again relaunched his campaign in the late 2008 in order to provide his new years resolution. This version includes Twista, Syleena Johnson, Phil G, Crucial Conflict, Kenny Bogus, Straw and Pugz Atomz.
DJ Kay Slay also produced a version of "Self Destruction" that samples the original more heavily. It features MCs Sheek Louch, Busta Rhymes, Papoose, Bun B, Uncle Murda, and Jay Rock.
Another version was made by a group of MC's from Jersey City; this version is extremely similar to the original—it even mimics the flow of the original MC's.

Did you read that? Since 1989

IOW, you've been ignoring black people for at least 35 years (that is, except when you lie about them in order to exploit their deaths for your political agenda)
 
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