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Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

By "old guard" I mean the ones still living and serving in Congress, obviously. :)

There have been worse splits in Congress in this country's history and we eventually work through them. The problem I have with the current establishment GOP is that their middle always wants to enter in to compromise negotiations already conceding their espoused principals before talks even start. I think the country would be better served with true progressives and conservatives who don't lie about what they believe but are willing to discuss common ground. As Reagan once said, we should be parties of bold colors, no pale pastels.

Well, after the 1.1 trillion dollar budget was passed by the house, and then the senate, and signed by Obama, I'd really thought hell had frozen over or something. We only had a slight green eggs and ham this time, or is it green ham and eggs? :lamo
 
As polls consistently show, Americans overwhelmingly support Cheney's position.

Six in 10 See CIA Actions as Justified As Many Question Committee Report - ABC News

Recall that there was a time when 10 out of 10 polled believed the earth was the center of the universe.

Americans are notoriously known as brainwashed. The effort is incessant, and most folks know that, though they may not like to talk about it.

With John Yoo and Dick Cheney blasting americans with their sophistry for more than a decade now, it's no wonder 60% of Americans live in an alternate reality in which torture is a good thing for the government to practice.

No surprise here. The events of 911 served many purposes.
 
Recall that there was a time when 10 out of 10 polled believed the earth was the center of the universe.

Americans are notoriously known as brainwashed. The effort is incessant, and most folks know that, though they may not like to talk about it.

With John Yoo and Dick Cheney blasting americans with their sophistry for more than a decade now, it's no wonder 60% of Americans live in an alternate reality in which torture is a good thing for the government to practice.

No surprise here. The events of 911 served many purposes.

So you believe they didn't do it for national security purposes.They just blasted all that sophistry because they just wanted to see some people effed up?
The events of 9/11 did indeed serve a purpose. It was a stark reminder of just what radical Islam is all bout.
 
Great...let's have the CIA torture again...starting with Cheney.

I think they should torture him until he no longer wants the CIA to torture people.

If he never does and it kills him...problem solved.

And if he changes his mind...problem solved.

No lose situation.
 
ol Dick says he would torture again..then I guess the only person that should be worried with that is Liz.
 
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?


Vice-President Cheney reaffirmed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. None of those techniques constituted torture under any applicable U.S. law, as the Office of Legal Counsel's very thorough research had established before the techniques were ever used. So the facts do not support your assertion that Mr. Cheney "would torture again."

The Huffington Post is one notch above Mother Jones and the "urban" throwaway papers they have on the rack by the front door of the bong shop. It would only be a slight exaggeration to call it today's Daily Worker--leftist drivel for the more gullible members of the lumpenproletariat. But I suppose there are still bird cages that need to be lined.

Good luck with having Vice-President Cheney tried for war crimes. The notion is at least good for a laugh. As far as I know, the last time an ex-Vice-President was ever tried for a serious crime was when Aaron Burr was tried for treason. He was not convicted.

The notion that he would ever agree to serve as Vice-President again is something from a pipe dream. He is far too old, and his heart, after several surgeries, is in far too weak a condition.
 
Vice-President Cheney reaffirmed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. None of those techniques constituted torture under any applicable U.S. law, as the Office of Legal Counsel's very thorough research had established before the techniques were ever used. So the facts do not support your assertion that Mr. Cheney "would torture again."

The Huffington Post is one notch above Mother Jones and the "urban" throwaway papers they have on the rack by the front door of the bong shop. It would only be a slight exaggeration to call it today's Daily Worker--leftist drivel for the more gullible members of the lumpenproletariat. But I suppose there are still bird cages that need to be lined.

Good luck with having Vice-President Cheney tried for war crimes. The notion is at least good for a laugh. As far as I know, the last time an ex-Vice-President was ever tried for a serious crime was when Aaron Burr was tried for treason. He was not convicted.

The notion that he would ever agree to serve as Vice-President again is something from a pipe dream. He is far too old, and his heart, after several surgeries, is in far too weak a condition.[
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I believe that it's safe to say that Dick Cheney won't be supervising any more torture sessions, eh? :roll:
 
Vice-President Cheney reaffirmed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. None of those techniques constituted torture under any applicable U.S. law, as the Office of Legal Counsel's very thorough research had established before the techniques were ever used. So the facts do not support your assertion that Mr. Cheney "would torture again."

The Huffington Post is one notch above Mother Jones and the "urban" throwaway papers they have on the rack by the front door of the bong shop. It would only be a slight exaggeration to call it today's Daily Worker--leftist drivel for the more gullible members of the lumpenproletariat. But I suppose there are still bird cages that need to be lined.

Good luck with having Vice-President Cheney tried for war crimes. The notion is at least good for a laugh. As far as I know, the last time an ex-Vice-President was ever tried for a serious crime was when Aaron Burr was tried for treason. He was not convicted.

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I believe that it's safe to say that Dick Cheney won't be supervising any more torture sessions, eh? :roll:

As I said, the U.S. never tortured anyone to begin with--so your premise is false.
 
Vice-President Cheney reaffirmed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. None of those techniques constituted torture under any applicable U.S. law, as the Office of Legal Counsel's very thorough research had established before the techniques were ever used. So the facts do not support your assertion that Mr. Cheney "would torture again."

The Huffington Post is one notch above Mother Jones and the "urban" throwaway papers they have on the rack by the front door of the bong shop. It would only be a slight exaggeration to call it today's Daily Worker--leftist drivel for the more gullible members of the lumpenproletariat. But I suppose there are still bird cages that need to be lined.

Good luck with having Vice-President Cheney tried for war crimes. The notion is at least good for a laugh. As far as I know, the last time an ex-Vice-President was ever tried for a serious crime was when Aaron Burr was tried for treason. He was not convicted.

The notion that he would ever agree to serve as Vice-President again is something from a pipe dream. He is far too old, and his heart, after several surgeries, is in far too weak a condition.

Cheney has already been tried and convicted of war crimes, in Kuala Lampur in Malaysia back in 2009. Kinda helps explain why Malaysian Airlines is on the shist list, eh?

He and Dubya decided, wisely, not to attend the proceedings and offer any defense.
 
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?

I'll take the easy question first: he will never be VP again because no one has ever held that job twice (second terms under the same POTUS don't count). I'm among those who believe enhanced interrogations were significant in disabling AQ and, ultimately, in bringing justice to bin Laden. Beyond that, every country, including ours, would use harsh methods if they were the difference between victory and defeat.
 
Vice-President Cheney reaffirmed that the enhanced interrogation techniques worked. None of those techniques constituted torture under any applicable U.S. law, as the Office of Legal Counsel's very thorough research had established before the techniques were ever used. So the facts do not support your assertion that Mr. Cheney "would torture again."

The Huffington Post is one notch above Mother Jones and the "urban" throwaway papers they have on the rack by the front door of the bong shop. It would only be a slight exaggeration to call it today's Daily Worker--leftist drivel for the more gullible members of the lumpenproletariat. But I suppose there are still bird cages that need to be lined.

Good luck with having Vice-President Cheney tried for war crimes. The notion is at least good for a laugh. As far as I know, the last time an ex-Vice-President was ever tried for a serious crime was when Aaron Burr was tried for treason. He was not convicted.

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I believe that it's safe to say that Dick Cheney won't be supervising any more torture sessions, eh? :roll:

Praise the lord!
 
That's what you say but many people on this planet don't agree with you.

In any case Dick Cheney is out of the torture business for now.

As opposed to the people on other planets, I suppose. I don't give two hoots in hell what uninformed people think about that, or anything else. I'm sure many of the people who believe the U.S. engaged in torture also believe Elvis is still alive.
 
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Cheney has already been tried and convicted of war crimes, in Kuala Lampur in Malaysia back in 2009. Kinda helps explain why Malaysian Airlines is on the shist list, eh?

He and Dubya decided, wisely, not to attend the proceedings and offer any defense.

I doubt Vice-President Cheney is losing much sleep about what some bunch of anti-American leftist crackpots in this or that country cooked up in their kangaroo court. The only laws that count in this country are our laws--nothing else means a damn.
 
As opposed to the people on other planets, I suppose. I don't give two hoots in hell what uninformed people think about that, or anything else.
I'm sure many of the people who believe the U.S. engaged in tortured also believe Elvis is still alive.



I believe that G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney condoned torture and I'm also sure that Elvis is dead and buried.

So you can scratch me off of that list. :roll:
 
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?

So would I.
 
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believe that G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney condoned torture and I'm also sure that Elvis is dead and buried

Your beliecs have no value. The law is what counts and after investigation by two DOJ's they say no laws were broken, Laws during wartime and peace time can differ, Perhaps that's the source of your confusion.
 
believe that G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney condoned torture and I'm also sure that Elvis is dead and buried

Your beliecs have no value. The law is what counts and after investigation by two DOJ's they say no laws were broken, Laws during wartime and peace time can differ,
Perhaps that's the source of your confusion.
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I don't have any confusion, that's your problem. :roll:
 
I doubt Vice-President Cheney is losing much sleep about what some bunch of anti-American leftist crackpots in this or that country cooked up in their kangaroo court. The only laws that count in this country are our laws--nothing else means a damn.

Well, that is not really a true and accurate statement you offer.

Cheney does not care about the rule of law, and too many courts in this country feel the same way. Certainly Obama doesn't care about the rule of law. What he and Cheney have in common is their contempt for the rule of law and their oath of office, to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Both men have taken actions to support attacks against the document and its principles. Cheney brought us the Unpatriot Act which nullified the Fourth Amendment, and Obama has signed off on the death of Habeas Corpus.

Yes, the domestic enemies of the USC are far more virulent than the foreign enemies of the document.
 
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?

NO, but considering that the CIA continues to torture suspects in secret facilities all over the world, cheney will still get erections.
 
Cheney brought us the Unpatriot Act which nullified the Fourth Amendment

If you're referring to the Patriot Act, it was Congress which enacted that, and the President who signed it when it was presented to him. Nothing in the Constitution gives the Vice-President any legislative power.

Obama has signed off on the death of Habeas Corpus.

I have no idea what you are referring to. It's very much alive and well and is used every day. Although there is no positive grant in the Constitution of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, the Suspension Clause, Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 2, prohibits it from being suspended "unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

In Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723 (2008), the Supreme Court even went so far as to hold that the unlawful combatants being detained at Guantanamo enjoyed this constitutional protection. The Court did not actually hold they had a right to file habeas petitions in U.S. courts, but instead it has allowed the right to satisfied through Combatant Status Review Tribunals, which are held at Guantanamo.
 
Cheney's actions are way down on my list of war crime activity, especially in regards to "enhanced interrogation techniques". I am somewhat more concerned about rendition to other countries and using that as a method of getting information. And much more concerned about drone attacks in sovereign countries, like Pakistan, aerial bombings as a method of fighting ethnic cleansing and other unconventional war situations like Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan, and current Iraq. We are killing 1000s of completely innocent civilians while attempting to kill "suspects". I guess that we learned nothing about intelligence failures and believe that every suspect is in fact a suspect.
 
Your beliecs have no value. The law is what counts and after investigation by two DOJ's they say no laws were broken, Laws during wartime and peace time can differ, Perhaps that's the source of your confusion.

There is a maxim, "inter armas silent leges." American laws have always bent somewhat when the U.S. was at war. Former Chief Justice Rehnquist was very interested in that subject and wrote quite a bit about it. There are a couple law review articles about it by him that I haven't read, but would like to some day. Interesting stuff.

Because alien war criminals enjoy almost no rights under either our Constitution or the laws of war, they may be subjected to pretty harsh treatment. During the Battle of the Bulge, for example, a number of German saboteurs were captured in U.S. uniform. All the process they got was a few minutes to try to sell their story to the nearest officer that could be hunted up--and when he didn't buy it, they were taken out and shot.

Americans captured British Major John Andre in 1780, behind the American lines and dressed in civilian clothes. In his boot were found documents from Benedict Arnold, then the commander of West Point. The documents, sold by Arnold, would have effectively given the British to keys to the fort. Major Andre was tried by a commission of fourteen of Washington's generals, convicted, and sentenced to death. He pleaded with Washington to be shot as a soldier, but was refused. About ten days after his capture, Andre was hanged for espionage.

Lambden Milligan and four other less notorious "Copperheads," as Confederate sympathizers in the North were called, were arrested in 1864 by the Army in a part of Indiana President Lincoln had placed under military control. They were then convicted by an Army commission of, among other things, plotting to seize weapons and free Confederate prisoners, and sentenced to death. They barely escaped execution, and only when the Supreme Court, soon after the Civil War ended, held that Lincoln had exceeded his authority by subjecting Milligan to martial law. The error, the Court said, was that that had denied him the right to challenge his detention by filing a habeas petition in a regular court.

Now, every self-righteous leftist knows how horribly this evil country has mistreated the poor Muslim shepherd boys its invaders captured overseas, locking them up in filthy dungeons and throwing away the key, for no crime except gathering firewood for their poor families, in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the self-righteous all know, too, how cruelly those guffawing, jackbooted U.S. stormtroopers have tortured these poor Muslims, countless times, often just for the fun of watching the blood spurt and hearing them scream in agony. Of course many have been murdered this way, and the atrocious tortures hushed up.

But as horrific as these American war crimes against innocent Muslims have been, maybe nothing shows what an unjust, wicked country the U.S. has always been better than what it did to one of its own people in 1942. President Franklin Roosevelt, the greatest liberal politician ever, could not wait to have Herbert Haupt killed, and forget that he was an American citizen. He denied Mr. Haupt his day in court and even told his Attorney General he didn't want to hear about any habeas petitions. Poor Herb got nothing but a military commission, which convicted him and sentenced him to death for what the U.S. government called "war crimes."

Mr. Haupt--a U.S. citizen, remember--never got a jury trial. What happened to the Sixth Amendment? He never even got to be indicted by a grand jury for capital crimes. As every good leftist knows, even cops who murder black people get cleared by grand juries! What happened to the Fifth Amendment? As a fig leaf to cover this railroading job, the Supreme Court "ignored" Roosevelt and agreed to hear Haupt's habeas petition--but it conveniently denied all his claims. And then President Roosevelt got his wish--American citizen Haupt, without ever having a trial by a jury of his peers, was strapped into the electric chair one day, and cruelly killed. For all anyone knows, he was an innocent man.
 
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