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Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Yes, but that hasn't happened. When it does I'm sure SNL will be right on it for you.

No hatred for leftists, though it's shares the same area code as 'contempt'. Yes, it was reflexive in a way. I wondered why leftists are still trying to make political hay about Sarah Palin. It's as old and tired as all leftist ideas, and the absolute absence of self awareness is what makes this vaudeville-like routine so pathetic.

I wasn't making political hay about anyone. Just saying that her return would be comedy gold for SNL. As I said, context is your friend.
 
Then don't make the statement the way you did.

Then we should all remove 'evil' from our lexicon, since there there no way to prove that anyone is evil.
 
He's not gonna get prosecuted, none of them are, let it go.

What needs to happen is end these costly, mostly ineffective torture programs and move on.
 
Which definition? The un's definition includes "intimidating them or a third party". Im sorry, but if that is the case nearly every policing agency in the country tortures people. ,

Its all inclusive. So we should just say pretty please? When they still refuse?

No, the dictionary's definition. Or the UN - a charter that we are signed onto and have agreed to.

You would think a group as old school as conservatives would want to honor their commitments.
 
No, the dictionary's definition. Or the UN - a charter that we are signed onto and have agreed to.

You would think a group as old school as conservatives would want to honor their commitments.

Conservatives don't do honor and doing what is right; they just talk about honor and what is right.
 
Wrong.

The USA hanged Japanese soldiers after WWII because they waterboarded American POWs. That's a fact.

That is, in fact, false. only (as I recall) 7 of the Japanese were hanged, and they were hanged for crimes such as the rape of Nanking. Utilizing waterboarding against uniformed personnel in a conflict is a crime under the Geneva conventions and we did add it to the sentences of some who were also imprisoned for actual murder/torture/etc; but the idea that we executed Japanese soldiers after WWII for waterboarding is historically illiterate, and I would recommend you take whatever source told you that we did and look at any claim they make in the future with a jaundiced eye.
 
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?

I think any psychologist would tell you the Cheney is just acting out; he really just wants to water-board his mother.
 
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That is, in fact, false. only (as I recall) 7 of the Japanese were hanged, and they were hanged for crimes such as the rape of Nanking. Utilizing waterboarding against uniformed personnel in a conflict is a crime under the Geneva conventions and we did add it to the sentences of some who were also imprisoned for actual murder/torture/etc; but the idea that we executed Japanese soldiers after WWII for waterboarding is historically illiterate, and I would recommend you take whatever source told you that we did and look at any claim they make in the future with a jaundiced eye.

Yep, it seems we did not execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.... I guess we decided it was just a "petty offense" worthy of only 15 years hard labor.

Some articles outlining US hypocrisy regarding waterboarding:

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime
Yes, <i>National Review</i>, We Did Execute Japanese for Waterboarding*|*Paul Begala
Yes, We Did Execute Japanese Soldiers for Waterboarding American POWs | Mother Jones
US executed Japanese for waterboarding | melange
 
No fetish, that chicken**** mother****er is a turd. I'd rather have lunch with Jane ****ing Fonda. Actually, I once refused to take an elevator with Jane Fonda, but that's another story.

Translation: RAAAAAAR!!!
 
Yep, it seems we did not execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.... I guess we decided it was just a "petty offense" worthy of only 15 years hard labor.

Again, that is a false representation
1. Yes, it is a crime to waterboard uniformed members of a military during a conflict. You aren't even supposed to interrogate them, really. Name, rank, date of birth, etc.
2. That being said, no one got 15 years of hard labor for waterboarding - they got it for a host of crimes such as murder, human rights, atrocities, and the like - we threw everything in and that's what they got.
 
So is the one the right wing stirs on Mrs. Clinton, I'll just bet conservatives get tingles up their legs talking about her, well, that, and Obama's golf outings.

No at all the same as there is a purpose in pointing out Clinton's endless flaws given that she is in line to run for President in 2016.
 
Yep, it seems we did not execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.... I guess we decided it was just a "petty offense" worthy of only 15 years hard labor.

Some articles outlining US hypocrisy regarding waterboarding:

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime
Yes, <i>National Review</i>, We Did Execute Japanese for Waterboarding*|*Paul Begala
Yes, We Did Execute Japanese Soldiers for Waterboarding American POWs | Mother Jones
US executed Japanese for waterboarding | melange

All three of your sources restate the same false claim. Those who were hung were guilty of atrocities like the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death march. They were not executed because of waterboarding.
 
All three of your sources restate the same false claim. Those who were hung were guilty of atrocities like the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death march. They were not executed because of waterboarding.

First, I only posted articles that outlined US hypocrisy on the issue. I NEVER claimed people were hanged (BTW - your laundry is hung; people are hanged) for waterboarding. I do make the contention that waterboarding is torture AND is a war crime. I do not make the contention that Japanese soldiers were hanged for such. Some more cites...

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1947waterboardwarcrime
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ory-supports-mccains-stance-on-waterboarding/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding


However, since now I have seven cites for which the best you can do is tell us your impressions. In a real debate, your depressions are worth squat. Let's see a cite supporting your claim.
 
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Conservatives don't do honor and doing what is right; they just talk about honor and what is right.

That's a ridiculously unfair overgeneralization. And I'm pretty sure that you know this.
 
He's not gonna get prosecuted, none of them are, let it go.

What needs to happen is end these costly, mostly ineffective torture programs and move on.

I do like the idea of the President issuing a blanket pardon to all members of the Bush Administration. It establishes the crime, but documents that we will move on. I am ok with Cheney getting a pardon.
 
I do like the idea of the President issuing a blanket pardon to all members of the Bush Administration. It establishes the crime, but documents that we will move on. I am ok with Cheney getting a pardon.
A crime? What crime would that be?

It's Obama who should be worried about crimes commuted in his administration. And their probably will be charges laid in several areas once they get rid of the deadwood..
 
A crime? What crime would that be?

It's Obama who should be worried about crimes commuted in his administration. And their probably will be charges laid in several areas once they get rid of the deadwood..

Torture is a war crime..... Even UN wants prosecutions. Sorry you didn't pick up on that during the previous 142 posts.

We don't have a history of charging our Presidents with crimes, I am not certain what crime fantasy you have cooked up concerning Obama, but I doubt President Clinton would have any problem pardoning him. She seems pretty reasonable about such things.
 
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Torture is a war crime..... Even UN wants prosecutions. Sorry you didn't pick up on that during the previous 142 posts.

Torture may well be a war crime but legal council at the time the alleged torture took place said if the guidelines were followed it was not torture.

Certainly a cabal of Democrats, and naturally the UN, would claim torture took place but they are not to be taken seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpIGr8w85Y
 
Torture may well be a war crime but legal council at the time the alleged torture took place said if the guidelines were followed it was not torture.

Certainly a cabal of Democrats, and naturally the UN, would claim torture took place but they are not to be taken seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpIGr8w85Y

Having your counsel tell you that something is not a crime does not make it not a crime. It means you got bad counsel. Bad counsel is not much of a defense in court.

The reality is that the Bush Administration opinion shopped...and were counseled on the gray area and positioning. As with all opinion shopping, it leads you into a gray area. Those that wander into the gray area almost invariably lose their moral compass and quickly find themselves burned as the problem of being in the gray area is that you lose black/white perspective. This means you cross into the black zone without realizing it. They lost control of the process by mismanaging it crossed into the black zone.
 
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Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think?

I think the bleeding heart liberal whiners need to go soak their own heads.

We need to line up the terrorists, pour pig blood on them, and then execute the murdering b*stards.
 
I think the bleeding heart liberal whiners need to go soak their own heads.
This technique was suggested by CIA operatives.
It was rejected in favor of Cheney's preferred anal hydration method.

We need to line up the terrorists, pour pig blood on them, and then execute the murdering b*stards.
No problem here.
You do know the difference between terrorists and ALLEGED terrorists, right?
I'm not sensing a lot of cheek turning or doing unto others in this post.:-(
 
Having your counsel tell you that something is not a crime does not make it not a crime. It means you got bad counsel. Bad counsel is not much of a defense in court.

The reality is that the Bush Administration opinion shopped...and were counseled on the gray area and positioning. As with all opinion shopping, it leads you into a gray area. Those that wander into the gray area almost invariably lose their moral compass and quickly find themselves burned as the problem of being in the gray area is that you lose black/white perspective. This means you cross into the black zone without realizing it. They lost control of the process by mismanaging it crossed into the black zone.

The White House had legal counsel to inform them of what the law is and what the guidelines should be. They did this.

As well leading Democrats were aware at the time and were fully informed of the situation but registered no complaints.

It is your opinion that the people involved in your security network committed a crime, despite what was said at the time and what the lawyers and the politicians involved agreed to. Now, a decade later and for political purposes only, they put together this ridiculous one-sided document and play their followers as fools.

You should really wise up to this game playing and put the interests of your country ahead of partisan politics . If genuine wrong-doing has been done then those responsible should be punished, but first recognize the difference between politics and the truth.
 
I think the bleeding heart liberal whiners need to go soak their own heads.

We need to line up the terrorists, pour pig blood on them, and then execute the murdering b*stards.



And how would you separate the innocent from the guilty without violating the U.S. Constitution and international agreements that the USA has sworn to uphold? :roll:

Fill us in.

My guess is that you're not really worried about all of that and your plan is to just kill'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Did I hit the nail on the head? :lamo


Not going to happen, but keep dreaming.
 
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