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Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Risky Thicket said:
No fetish, that chicken**** mother****er is a turd. I'd rather have lunch with Jane ****ing Fonda. Actually, I once refused to take an elevator with Jane Fonda, but that's another story.
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He eats liberals for breakfast.
 
shrubnose said:
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?
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Be VP again? Seriously? No, he is a has been.

I will say this, most of us have never been in a position, that of leadership where one has to make a decision that could result in the lose of lives or saving lives. We are looking back on events with 20-20 hindsight knowing no more 9-11's happened. When these decisions were made, those making them didn't have that advantage. The fear of another 9-11 or something similar was very real. The question was how best to protect American lives and country.

One can say the weight of the world, the nation were upon the president's and VP shoulders. It was never on ours. There is an old adage, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I don't know what was in Cheney's mind, but in a case right after 9-11 I can see where one would want to error on the prevention side of things. To do otherwise with lives at risk might be considered very foolish and irresponsible.

Also the general public does not know if the enhanced interrogation worked or not. Those who have come forward and said one way or the other are one's for the most part with political agendas and they do push them hard. I doubt if we will ever know, the general public until 50 years down the road. It is very possible the information, the intel obtained prevented another 9-11, that it helped lead to the death of UBL and other terrorist leaders and stopped plots. It is also possible that the enhanced interrogation lead to nothing.

But one things is certain, those who believe one way or the other will certainly grab onto whomever is saying what they want to hear and spout that as gospel. While the truth is, we really do not know and won't know until those who did the interrogations come forward and talk or their reports are declassified and released which I doubt will not happen for a very long time if ever.
 
Perotista said:
Be VP again? Seriously? No, he is a has been.

I will say this, most of us have never been in a position, that of leadership where one has to make a decision that could result in the lose of lives or saving lives. We are looking back on events with 20-20 hindsight knowing no more 9-11's happened. When these decisions were made, those making them didn't have that advantage. The fear of another 9-11 or something similar was very real. The question was how best to protect American lives and country.
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There is no theory under which Cheney is not an evil old man who took advantage of 9/11 to start a war in Iraq.
 
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Amadeus said:
There is no theory under which Cheney is not an evil old man who took advantage 9/11 to start a war in Iraq.
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You are welcome to try and prove that.
 
Atiya said:
There is no danger of Dick Cheney ever being VP again in this life time. He was never voted for himself by the American people, but usually appointed to positions....the first GWB administration was stolen via partisan US Supreme Court. Clearly, everyone could see GWB was totally UNqualified to be president....hell, he could barely speak English. He was previously a heavy cocaine user...so much so he damaged his nasal septum; he also was a heavy drinker of hard liquor.

Dick Cheney hijacked the naive GWB admin, and poor Bush jr. never knew what was happening until the sixth year of his presidency. Dick Cheney will never ever admit he made a huge error invading Iraq and the one who authorized the torture program for to admit to such would have him face he's a sinister, thirsty coldblooded monster. Cheney proved he did not have a heart by spearheading the torture regime for those captured.
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You are an excellent fiction writer. I enjoyed reading it.
 
shrubnose said:
Wrong.

The USA hanged Japanese soldiers after WWII because they waterboarded American POWs. That's a fact.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
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That sentence in bold is not a fact as written. Japanese soldiers were not executed for "waterboarding". They were executed for torture. Waterboarding was just one of a host of other acts committed.

More correctly you could claim that following WWII the United States viewed the act of waterboarding as torture.
 
American said:
You are welcome to try and prove that.
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What kind of proof are you looking for?

In the initial stages of the war on terror, the Central Intelligence Agency, under George Tenet, was rising to prominence as the lead agency in the Afghanistan war. But when Tenet insisted in his personal meetings with President Bush that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, V.P. Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld initiated a secret program to re-examine the evidence and marginalize the CIA and Tenet. The questionable intelligence acquired by this secret program was "stovepiped" to the vice president and presented to the public. In some cases, Cheney’s office would leak the intelligence to reporters, where it would be reported by outlets such as The New York Times. Cheney would subsequently appear on the Sunday political television talk shows to discuss the intelligence, referencing The New York Times as the source to give it credence.[18]
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I can't prove that Cheney is evil, since that would require functional knowledge of Cheney's mind. That part is admittedly my opinion. I can only prove that Cheney wanted war in Iraq, and manipulated intelligence and the perceptions of the American people to this end.
 
shrubnose said:
Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

"It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?
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If Jeb Bush is nominated by the Republicans, Darth Cheney may be the VP, again. Seems Bush+Cheney=Magic, eh? ;)

But you're right--he is in full crisis mode, having to defend torture. At least the media is helping him out.
 
Amadeus said:
What kind of proof are you looking for?



I can't prove that Cheney is evil, since that would require functional knowledge of Cheney's mind. That part is admittedly my opinion. I can only prove that Cheney wanted war in Iraq, and manipulated intelligence and the perceptions of the American people to this end.
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Do actions speak louder than words? Than thoughts? Can one perceive Cheney's evil by way of his actions and words?

I think so. He has stood for law breaking and torture for many years now, and his actions while in office has followed through with his statements. The proof is in the pudding.
 
Amadeus said:
What kind of proof are you looking for?



I can't prove that Cheney is evil, since that would require functional knowledge of Cheney's mind. That part is admittedly my opinion. I can only prove that Cheney wanted war in Iraq, and manipulated intelligence and the perceptions of the American people to this end.
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Then don't make the statement the way you did.
 
American said:
Cheney could rip Hillary's head off and **** down her throat. :lol:
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And someone here complained about the left being ignorant? Oh the irony!
 
CRUE CAB said:
Mr. Cheney is a great American.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

He is a piece of ****. I will celebrate his death even more than I do Reagans.
 
Texmex said:
And someone here complained about the left being ignorant? Oh the irony!
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He's probably looking at you from his computer right now.
 
DA60 said:
My response to his interview?

This loser got a heart transplant - denying a potentially decent person the chance to life so this a**hole can live a few more pathetic years?

I say yank it out of his chest and give it to someone truly deserving (a la Monty Python The Meaning of Life) - if he hasn't ruined it yet.
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I hope that you don't really mean what you've said here and that this is simply Internet bluster. If you do mean it, though, your heart problems are even more severe than Cheney's. :(
 
If it were necessary, Barrack Obama would do the same things Bush authorized...and all those soft little fluffy bunnies today that are outraged and personally damaged over this would be justifying it.
 
Amadeus said:
There is no theory under which Cheney is not an evil old man who took advantage of 9/11 to start a war in Iraq.
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Every one has their own opinions. But what I found is there is so much hyperbole on both sides of almost any issue, that both side exaggerate to the nth degree. That the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. But truth means little to nothing to the very partisans, it is their perceptive of things that count.

I personally believe both Bush and Cheney did what they thought needed to be done at the time without the benefit of hindsight. Whether history will judge them as doing what was right or wrong or someplace in-between remains to be seen. Time will tell.
 
Thrilla said:
no, he'll never be VP again.....

as for "war crimes'... what a bunch of rubbish.
the most idiotic thing we have ever done as a planet is put in place regulations on war/warfare....especially regulations that are so very inconsistent and absurd.

killing is perfectly fine, killing huge amounts of people is fine..causing death in a million and one horrific ways is ok.. just don't cause them any pain or hurt their feelings.
you can even kill civilians and noncombatants by the metric ton... just don't say you intended to kill them.

the whole thing is a joke.
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However it does give leftists another opportunity to turn on their own country and demonize their fellow Americans. Even if it makes no sense, and is self-destructive, they still can't let it go by
 
shrubnose said:
You don't think that Hillary and Biden would make a fine pair?

I'm sure that SNL would love to see that happen. :roll:
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SNL would rather have Sarah Palin make a comeback.
 
You highlighted that "A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged" which is true. But it was not for water-boarding.
 
Texmex said:
And someone here complained about the left being ignorant? Oh the irony!
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This is leftists at their best. Note all the violent talk by those who claim to be protesting against violence. It's clear they are against anyone getting hurt but only if they are not Americans. Harming Americans seems to be okay.
 
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