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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Cheney has already been tried and convicted of war crimes, in Kuala Lampur in Malaysia back in 2009. Kinda helps explain why Malaysian Airlines is on the shist list, eh?

    He and Dubya decided, wisely, not to attend the proceedings and offer any defense.
    I doubt Vice-President Cheney is losing much sleep about what some bunch of anti-American leftist crackpots in this or that country cooked up in their kangaroo court. The only laws that count in this country are our laws--nothing else means a damn.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post

    As opposed to the people on other planets, I suppose. I don't give two hoots in hell what uninformed people think about that, or anything else.
    I'm sure many of the people who believe the U.S. engaged in tortured also believe Elvis is still alive.


    I believe that G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney condoned torture and I'm also sure that Elvis is dead and buried.

    So you can scratch me off of that list.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

    "It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

    Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

    What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?
    So would I.
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose;1064114363I[/QUOTE
    believe that G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney condoned torture and I'm also sure that Elvis is dead and buried
    Your beliecs have no value. The law is what counts and after investigation by two DOJ's they say no laws were broken, Laws during wartime and peace time can differ, Perhaps that's the source of your confusion.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    believe that G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney condoned torture and I'm also sure that Elvis is dead and buried
    Your beliecs have no value. The law is what counts and after investigation by two DOJ's they say no laws were broken, Laws during wartime and peace time can differ,
    Perhaps that's the source of your confusion.
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    I don't have any confusion, that's your problem.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I doubt Vice-President Cheney is losing much sleep about what some bunch of anti-American leftist crackpots in this or that country cooked up in their kangaroo court. The only laws that count in this country are our laws--nothing else means a damn.
    Well, that is not really a true and accurate statement you offer.

    Cheney does not care about the rule of law, and too many courts in this country feel the same way. Certainly Obama doesn't care about the rule of law. What he and Cheney have in common is their contempt for the rule of law and their oath of office, to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    Both men have taken actions to support attacks against the document and its principles. Cheney brought us the Unpatriot Act which nullified the Fourth Amendment, and Obama has signed off on the death of Habeas Corpus.

    Yes, the domestic enemies of the USC are far more virulent than the foreign enemies of the document.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

    "It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

    Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

    What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?
    NO, but considering that the CIA continues to torture suspects in secret facilities all over the world, cheney will still get erections.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Cheney brought us the Unpatriot Act which nullified the Fourth Amendment
    If you're referring to the Patriot Act, it was Congress which enacted that, and the President who signed it when it was presented to him. Nothing in the Constitution gives the Vice-President any legislative power.

    Obama has signed off on the death of Habeas Corpus.
    I have no idea what you are referring to. It's very much alive and well and is used every day. Although there is no positive grant in the Constitution of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, the Suspension Clause, Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 2, prohibits it from being suspended "unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."

    In Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723 (2008), the Supreme Court even went so far as to hold that the unlawful combatants being detained at Guantanamo enjoyed this constitutional protection. The Court did not actually hold they had a right to file habeas petitions in U.S. courts, but instead it has allowed the right to satisfied through Combatant Status Review Tribunals, which are held at Guantanamo.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Cheney's actions are way down on my list of war crime activity, especially in regards to "enhanced interrogation techniques". I am somewhat more concerned about rendition to other countries and using that as a method of getting information. And much more concerned about drone attacks in sovereign countries, like Pakistan, aerial bombings as a method of fighting ethnic cleansing and other unconventional war situations like Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan, and current Iraq. We are killing 1000s of completely innocent civilians while attempting to kill "suspects". I guess that we learned nothing about intelligence failures and believe that every suspect is in fact a suspect.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your beliecs have no value. The law is what counts and after investigation by two DOJ's they say no laws were broken, Laws during wartime and peace time can differ, Perhaps that's the source of your confusion.
    There is a maxim, "inter armas silent leges." American laws have always bent somewhat when the U.S. was at war. Former Chief Justice Rehnquist was very interested in that subject and wrote quite a bit about it. There are a couple law review articles about it by him that I haven't read, but would like to some day. Interesting stuff.

    Because alien war criminals enjoy almost no rights under either our Constitution or the laws of war, they may be subjected to pretty harsh treatment. During the Battle of the Bulge, for example, a number of German saboteurs were captured in U.S. uniform. All the process they got was a few minutes to try to sell their story to the nearest officer that could be hunted up--and when he didn't buy it, they were taken out and shot.

    Americans captured British Major John Andre in 1780, behind the American lines and dressed in civilian clothes. In his boot were found documents from Benedict Arnold, then the commander of West Point. The documents, sold by Arnold, would have effectively given the British to keys to the fort. Major Andre was tried by a commission of fourteen of Washington's generals, convicted, and sentenced to death. He pleaded with Washington to be shot as a soldier, but was refused. About ten days after his capture, Andre was hanged for espionage.

    Lambden Milligan and four other less notorious "Copperheads," as Confederate sympathizers in the North were called, were arrested in 1864 by the Army in a part of Indiana President Lincoln had placed under military control. They were then convicted by an Army commission of, among other things, plotting to seize weapons and free Confederate prisoners, and sentenced to death. They barely escaped execution, and only when the Supreme Court, soon after the Civil War ended, held that Lincoln had exceeded his authority by subjecting Milligan to martial law. The error, the Court said, was that that had denied him the right to challenge his detention by filing a habeas petition in a regular court.

    Now, every self-righteous leftist knows how horribly this evil country has mistreated the poor Muslim shepherd boys its invaders captured overseas, locking them up in filthy dungeons and throwing away the key, for no crime except gathering firewood for their poor families, in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the self-righteous all know, too, how cruelly those guffawing, jackbooted U.S. stormtroopers have tortured these poor Muslims, countless times, often just for the fun of watching the blood spurt and hearing them scream in agony. Of course many have been murdered this way, and the atrocious tortures hushed up.

    But as horrific as these American war crimes against innocent Muslims have been, maybe nothing shows what an unjust, wicked country the U.S. has always been better than what it did to one of its own people in 1942. President Franklin Roosevelt, the greatest liberal politician ever, could not wait to have Herbert Haupt killed, and forget that he was an American citizen. He denied Mr. Haupt his day in court and even told his Attorney General he didn't want to hear about any habeas petitions. Poor Herb got nothing but a military commission, which convicted him and sentenced him to death for what the U.S. government called "war crimes."

    Mr. Haupt--a U.S. citizen, remember--never got a jury trial. What happened to the Sixth Amendment? He never even got to be indicted by a grand jury for capital crimes. As every good leftist knows, even cops who murder black people get cleared by grand juries! What happened to the Fifth Amendment? As a fig leaf to cover this railroading job, the Supreme Court "ignored" Roosevelt and agreed to hear Haupt's habeas petition--but it conveniently denied all his claims. And then President Roosevelt got his wish--American citizen Haupt, without ever having a trial by a jury of his peers, was strapped into the electric chair one day, and cruelly killed. For all anyone knows, he was an innocent man.

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