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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's a ridiculously unfair overgeneralization. And I'm pretty sure that you know this.
    If the shoe fits...

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    He's not gonna get prosecuted, none of them are, let it go.

    What needs to happen is end these costly, mostly ineffective torture programs and move on.
    I do like the idea of the President issuing a blanket pardon to all members of the Bush Administration. It establishes the crime, but documents that we will move on. I am ok with Cheney getting a pardon.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I do like the idea of the President issuing a blanket pardon to all members of the Bush Administration. It establishes the crime, but documents that we will move on. I am ok with Cheney getting a pardon.
    A crime? What crime would that be?

    It's Obama who should be worried about crimes commuted in his administration. And their probably will be charges laid in several areas once they get rid of the deadwood..

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A crime? What crime would that be?

    It's Obama who should be worried about crimes commuted in his administration. And their probably will be charges laid in several areas once they get rid of the deadwood..
    Torture is a war crime..... Even UN wants prosecutions. Sorry you didn't pick up on that during the previous 142 posts.

    We don't have a history of charging our Presidents with crimes, I am not certain what crime fantasy you have cooked up concerning Obama, but I doubt President Clinton would have any problem pardoning him. She seems pretty reasonable about such things.
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Torture is a war crime..... Even UN wants prosecutions. Sorry you didn't pick up on that during the previous 142 posts.
    Torture may well be a war crime but legal council at the time the alleged torture took place said if the guidelines were followed it was not torture.

    Certainly a cabal of Democrats, and naturally the UN, would claim torture took place but they are not to be taken seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpIGr8w85Y

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Torture may well be a war crime but legal council at the time the alleged torture took place said if the guidelines were followed it was not torture.

    Certainly a cabal of Democrats, and naturally the UN, would claim torture took place but they are not to be taken seriously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpIGr8w85Y
    Having your counsel tell you that something is not a crime does not make it not a crime. It means you got bad counsel. Bad counsel is not much of a defense in court.

    The reality is that the Bush Administration opinion shopped...and were counseled on the gray area and positioning. As with all opinion shopping, it leads you into a gray area. Those that wander into the gray area almost invariably lose their moral compass and quickly find themselves burned as the problem of being in the gray area is that you lose black/white perspective. This means you cross into the black zone without realizing it. They lost control of the process by mismanaging it crossed into the black zone.
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

    "It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

    Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

    What do you guys think?
    I think the bleeding heart liberal whiners need to go soak their own heads.

    We need to line up the terrorists, pour pig blood on them, and then execute the murdering b*stards.
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    I think the bleeding heart liberal whiners need to go soak their own heads.
    This technique was suggested by CIA operatives.
    It was rejected in favor of Cheney's preferred anal hydration method.

    We need to line up the terrorists, pour pig blood on them, and then execute the murdering b*stards.
    No problem here.
    You do know the difference between terrorists and ALLEGED terrorists, right?
    I'm not sensing a lot of cheek turning or doing unto others in this post.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Having your counsel tell you that something is not a crime does not make it not a crime. It means you got bad counsel. Bad counsel is not much of a defense in court.

    The reality is that the Bush Administration opinion shopped...and were counseled on the gray area and positioning. As with all opinion shopping, it leads you into a gray area. Those that wander into the gray area almost invariably lose their moral compass and quickly find themselves burned as the problem of being in the gray area is that you lose black/white perspective. This means you cross into the black zone without realizing it. They lost control of the process by mismanaging it crossed into the black zone.
    The White House had legal counsel to inform them of what the law is and what the guidelines should be. They did this.

    As well leading Democrats were aware at the time and were fully informed of the situation but registered no complaints.

    It is your opinion that the people involved in your security network committed a crime, despite what was said at the time and what the lawyers and the politicians involved agreed to. Now, a decade later and for political purposes only, they put together this ridiculous one-sided document and play their followers as fools.

    You should really wise up to this game playing and put the interests of your country ahead of partisan politics . If genuine wrong-doing has been done then those responsible should be punished, but first recognize the difference between politics and the truth.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    I think the bleeding heart liberal whiners need to go soak their own heads.

    We need to line up the terrorists, pour pig blood on them, and then execute the murdering b*stards.


    And how would you separate the innocent from the guilty without violating the U.S. Constitution and international agreements that the USA has sworn to uphold?

    Fill us in.

    My guess is that you're not really worried about all of that and your plan is to just kill'em all and let God sort 'em out.

    Did I hit the nail on the head?


    Not going to happen, but keep dreaming.
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