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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    No, the dictionary's definition. Or the UN - a charter that we are signed onto and have agreed to.

    You would think a group as old school as conservatives would want to honor their commitments.
    Conservatives don't do honor and doing what is right; they just talk about honor and what is right.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong.

    The USA hanged Japanese soldiers after WWII because they waterboarded American POWs. That's a fact.
    That is, in fact, false. only (as I recall) 7 of the Japanese were hanged, and they were hanged for crimes such as the rape of Nanking. Utilizing waterboarding against uniformed personnel in a conflict is a crime under the Geneva conventions and we did add it to the sentences of some who were also imprisoned for actual murder/torture/etc; but the idea that we executed Japanese soldiers after WWII for waterboarding is historically illiterate, and I would recommend you take whatever source told you that we did and look at any claim they make in the future with a jaundiced eye.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Dick Cheney gave an unflinching defense of the CIA's pos-9/11 torture program on "Meet the Press on Sunday, dismissing criticisms of the program's forced rectal feedings, waterboarding and deaths.

    "It worked. It absolutely did work," said Cheney, a driving force behind the George W.Bush administrations use of harsh tactics in response to the 9/11 attacks.

    Read the article here: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Mr Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but a lot of people on this planet, including me, don't agree and would like to see him put on trial for war crimes.

    What do you guys think? Will he ever be VP again?
    I think any psychologist would tell you the Cheney is just acting out; he really just wants to water-board his mother.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 12-15-14 at 11:48 PM.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is, in fact, false. only (as I recall) 7 of the Japanese were hanged, and they were hanged for crimes such as the rape of Nanking. Utilizing waterboarding against uniformed personnel in a conflict is a crime under the Geneva conventions and we did add it to the sentences of some who were also imprisoned for actual murder/torture/etc; but the idea that we executed Japanese soldiers after WWII for waterboarding is historically illiterate, and I would recommend you take whatever source told you that we did and look at any claim they make in the future with a jaundiced eye.
    Yep, it seems we did not execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.... I guess we decided it was just a "petty offense" worthy of only 15 years hard labor.

    Some articles outlining US hypocrisy regarding waterboarding:

    Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime
    Yes, <i>National Review</i>, We Did Execute Japanese for Waterboarding*|*Paul Begala
    Yes, We Did Execute Japanese Soldiers for Waterboarding American POWs | Mother Jones
    US executed Japanese for waterboarding | melange

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

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    No fetish, that chicken**** mother****er is a turd. I'd rather have lunch with Jane ****ing Fonda. Actually, I once refused to take an elevator with Jane Fonda, but that's another story.
    Translation: RAAAAAAR!!!
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep, it seems we did not execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.... I guess we decided it was just a "petty offense" worthy of only 15 years hard labor.
    Again, that is a false representation
    1. Yes, it is a crime to waterboard uniformed members of a military during a conflict. You aren't even supposed to interrogate them, really. Name, rank, date of birth, etc.
    2. That being said, no one got 15 years of hard labor for waterboarding - they got it for a host of crimes such as murder, human rights, atrocities, and the like - we threw everything in and that's what they got.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So is the one the right wing stirs on Mrs. Clinton, I'll just bet conservatives get tingles up their legs talking about her, well, that, and Obama's golf outings.
    No at all the same as there is a purpose in pointing out Clinton's endless flaws given that she is in line to run for President in 2016.
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep, it seems we did not execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding.... I guess we decided it was just a "petty offense" worthy of only 15 years hard labor.

    Some articles outlining US hypocrisy regarding waterboarding:

    Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime
    Yes, <i>National Review</i>, We Did Execute Japanese for Waterboarding*|*Paul Begala
    Yes, We Did Execute Japanese Soldiers for Waterboarding American POWs | Mother Jones
    US executed Japanese for waterboarding | melange
    All three of your sources restate the same false claim. Those who were hung were guilty of atrocities like the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death march. They were not executed because of waterboarding.
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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    All three of your sources restate the same false claim. Those who were hung were guilty of atrocities like the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death march. They were not executed because of waterboarding.
    First, I only posted articles that outlined US hypocrisy on the issue. I NEVER claimed people were hanged (BTW - your laundry is hung; people are hanged) for waterboarding. I do make the contention that waterboarding is torture AND is a war crime. I do not make the contention that Japanese soldiers were hanged for such. Some more cites...

    http://www.historycommons.org/contex...rboardwarcrime
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...waterboarding/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding


    However, since now I have seven cites for which the best you can do is tell us your impressions. In a real debate, your depressions are worth squat. Let's see a cite supporting your claim.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 12-16-14 at 01:01 AM.

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    Re: Dick Cheney Would Torture Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Conservatives don't do honor and doing what is right; they just talk about honor and what is right.
    That's a ridiculously unfair overgeneralization. And I'm pretty sure that you know this.

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