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Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

About 6K of Walmart's 1.3 million US employees make federal minimum wage, so we are talking about less than one half of one percent of its workers. I little factual perspective is nice from time to time.
 
What fact? The fact that 25% of the jobs are low-paying? Or the fact that they aren't going anywhere?

I'm not sure how to answer that or support it when it's blatantly obvious. Examples of low paying jobs:

Cashier
Wait Staff
Clerks
Manual Labor
Janitors

Are you saying these could turn into decent-wage jobs?

You stated as a fact that 25% is a requirement. I'm asking for support.

As for your question. yes they could. You could become head casher, eventually store manager, then it's on to corporate headquarters. A corner office on the 5th floor, key to the private restroom. A week at the company condo.

If you find yourself in a situation where that isn't happening, then move on.

It's you, not me, that claim that these entry level jobs are exit level jobs.
 
You stated as a fact that 25% is a requirement. I'm asking for support.

As for your question. yes they could. You could become head casher, eventually store manager, then it's on to corporate headquarters. A corner office on the 5th floor, key to the private restroom. A week at the company condo.

If you find yourself in a situation where that isn't happening, then move on.

It's you, not me, that claim that these entry level jobs are exit level jobs.

The person in that job could - maybe. If they are lucky and work hard. But the job doesn't go with them. That job will continue to exist.

Do you not get that?
 
About 6K of Walmart's 1.3 million US employees make federal minimum wage, so we are talking about less than one half of one percent of its workers. I little factual perspective is nice from time to time.

How many make less than a dollar more per hour?
 
One of the basic beliefs of conservatives is that people should look after themselves rather than being dependent on others. Such an attitutde about employment fits that belief well. Those like you who don't believe in personal responsibility wouldn't see that.

Why dont you just get a job that pays twice what you currently earn?
 
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I give up, how many?

I'm asking you. You're the guy with all the relevant numbers.

A lot of big companies have some bull**** corporate policy of giving new minimum wage hires a $.25/hour raise after six months, or whatever. All of these people are not technically earning minimum wage but are still affected by these discussions.

You didn't factor those people in, I expect.
 
The person in that job could - maybe. If they are lucky and work hard. But the job doesn't go with them. That job will continue to exist.

Do you not get that?

I get that, and the job gets filled by someone else who is either content to exit at the same pay grade as the entry, a temporary employee who wants a part time job, or someone who looks at the job as an opportunity.

I've stated. There will always be low end jobs. How you treat it is your choice.

Still would be interested in the origin of the 25% fact.
 
I'm asking you. You're the guy with all the relevant numbers.

A lot of big companies have some bull**** corporate policy of giving new minimum wage hires a $.25/hour raise after six months, or whatever. All of these people are not technically earning minimum wage but are still affected by these discussions.

You didn't factor those people in, I expect.

There was no need of me to factor them in because I wasn't speaking about them. If you want to talk about them, you tell me.
 
There was no need of me to factor them in because I wasn't speaking about them. If you want to talk about them, you tell me.

In that case, your perspective is useless because someone making 25 cents more than minimum wage is very relevant to the discussion. Ignoring them is silly.
 
yep. they can close as many stores as they like in response. or, they could treat their employees a bit better, and avoid the issue entirely.


You are correct, unfortunately the law is tilted in favor of unionization. If the employees are being paid less than they deserve, then they should go work elsewhere and make their deserved rate in the marketplace. If they can't do that, then they are getting paid what they deserve, which means that what they are actually doing is blaming their employer for their own faults.
 
I get that, and the job gets filled by someone else who is either content to exit at the same pay grade as the entry, a temporary employee who wants a part time job, or someone who looks at the job as an opportunity.

I've stated. There will always be low end jobs. How you treat it is your choice.

Still would be interested in the origin of the 25% fact.

The origin is that according to a stat I recently cited, 25% of jobs in this country are below the poverty line. I think we are mostly on the same page, we just have a small disagreement about how to fix it or if it is worth fixing.
 
You are correct, unfortunately the law is tilted in favor of unionization. If the employees are being paid less than they deserve, then they should go work elsewhere and make their deserved rate in the marketplace. If they can't do that, then they are getting paid what they deserve, which means that what they are actually doing is blaming their employer for their own faults.

This line of thinking doesn't even reach the complexity of Econ 101.
 
You are correct, unfortunately the law is tilted in favor of unionization. If the employees are being paid less than they deserve, then they should go work elsewhere and make their deserved rate in the marketplace. If they can't do that, then they are getting paid what they deserve, which means that what they are actually doing is blaming their employer for their own faults.

nah, they should organize and sell their labor for the best price, just as corporations organize and buy laws that help them out.

come on, man. honesty among thieves here.
 
nah, they should organize and sell their labor for the best price, just as corporations organize and buy laws that help them out.

come on, man. honesty among thieves here.

1. Unions are the largest political donors by far.
2. Rent-Seeking is destructive behavior.
3. If they want to sell their labor for the best price, I encourage them to do so. If they want to use coercion and the violence of the state to create and force others to purchase from an artificial monopoly, then I am as against that as I would be if the sellers of any other good or service were to attempt to do so.
 
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1. Unions are the largest political donors by far.
2. Rent-Seeking is destructive behavior.
3. If they want to sell their labor for the best price, I encourage them to do so. If they want to use coercion and the violence of the state to create and force others to purchase from an artificial monopoly, then I am as against that as I would be if the sellers of any other good or service were to attempt to do so.

unions sure aren't getting much bang for their buck. either way, the average worker has been getting the short end of the stick. and if you don't want your workers to organize, don't treat them like dog****.
 
1. Unions are the largest political donors by far.
2. Rent-Seeking is destructive behavior.
3. If they want to sell their labor for the best price, I encourage them to do so. If they want to use coercion and the violence of the state to create and force others to purchase from an artificial monopoly, then I am as against that as I would be if the sellers of any other good or service were to attempt to do so.
Unions are NOT the largest political donors. The donate a small fraction of what major corporations do.
 
unions sure aren't getting much bang for their buck. either way, the average worker has been getting the short end of the stick. and if you don't want your workers to organize, don't treat them like dog****.

Being low-income appears to have broadly negative correlation with unionization, actually. Corporatism in the labor sector seems to broadly be how the middle class benefits itself at the expense of the lower-income.

As for bang for their buck - labor laws in this country continue to favor unionization over the individual worker or business. The WORKERS aren't getting much bang for their buck, agreeably.
 
Unions are NOT the largest political donors. The donate a small fraction of what major corporations do.

OpenSecrets.Org: Heavy Hitters - All Time Top Donors, 1989-2014


1 ActBlue $134,256,895 99% 0%
2 National Education Assn $75,194,932 46% 3%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $67,343,802 76% 0%

4 National Assn of Realtors $64,766,517 37% 39%
5 AT&T Inc $59,356,045 41% 58%
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $48,382,064 90% 1%
7 Goldman Sachs $47,680,848 52% 44%
8 Carpenters & Joiners Union $46,383,749 65% 8%
9 American Assn for Justice $45,991,140 83% 7%
10 United Auto Workers $43,083,925 72% 0%
11 Laborers Union $41,534,389 81% 7%
12 Service Employees International Union $40,625,095 83% 2%
13 American Federation of Teachers $38,801,158 89% 0%
14 Communications Workers of America $38,411,854 85% 0%
15 AFL-CIO $38,001,705 52% 2%
16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $37,774,721 81% 0%
17 Teamsters Union $36,176,902 92% 5%

18 United Parcel Service $34,230,125 35% 64%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $34,122,760 31% 68%
20 Citigroup Inc $33,982,257 48% 50%
21 JPMorgan Chase & Co $33,772,344 47% 51%
 
OpenSecrets.Org: Heavy Hitters - All Time Top Donors, 1989-2014


1 ActBlue $134,256,895 99% 0%
2 National Education Assn $75,194,932 46% 3%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $67,343,802 76% 0%

4 National Assn of Realtors $64,766,517 37% 39%
5 AT&T Inc $59,356,045 41% 58%
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $48,382,064 90% 1%
7 Goldman Sachs $47,680,848 52% 44%
8 Carpenters & Joiners Union $46,383,749 65% 8%
9 American Assn for Justice $45,991,140 83% 7%
10 United Auto Workers $43,083,925 72% 0%
11 Laborers Union $41,534,389 81% 7%
12 Service Employees International Union $40,625,095 83% 2%
13 American Federation of Teachers $38,801,158 89% 0%
14 Communications Workers of America $38,411,854 85% 0%
15 AFL-CIO $38,001,705 52% 2%
16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $37,774,721 81% 0%
17 Teamsters Union $36,176,902 92% 5%

18 United Parcel Service $34,230,125 35% 64%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $34,122,760 31% 68%
20 Citigroup Inc $33,982,257 48% 50%
21 JPMorgan Chase & Co $33,772,344 47% 51%

I didn't know ActBlue led the pack. Interesting. That's a very left-leaning PAC. Looks like the Dems really outraise the GOP. So much for the theory that Republicans buy elections.
 
OpenSecrets.Org: Heavy Hitters - All Time Top Donors, 1989-2014


1 ActBlue $134,256,895 99% 0%
2 National Education Assn $75,194,932 46% 3%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $67,343,802 76% 0%

4 National Assn of Realtors $64,766,517 37% 39%
5 AT&T Inc $59,356,045 41% 58%
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $48,382,064 90% 1%
7 Goldman Sachs $47,680,848 52% 44%
8 Carpenters & Joiners Union $46,383,749 65% 8%
9 American Assn for Justice $45,991,140 83% 7%
10 United Auto Workers $43,083,925 72% 0%
11 Laborers Union $41,534,389 81% 7%
12 Service Employees International Union $40,625,095 83% 2%
13 American Federation of Teachers $38,801,158 89% 0%
14 Communications Workers of America $38,411,854 85% 0%
15 AFL-CIO $38,001,705 52% 2%
16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $37,774,721 81% 0%
17 Teamsters Union $36,176,902 92% 5%

18 United Parcel Service $34,230,125 35% 64%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $34,122,760 31% 68%
20 Citigroup Inc $33,982,257 48% 50%
21 JPMorgan Chase & Co $33,772,344 47% 51%
Gimmie a break, the Koch Brothers spend more than double of the top ten unions combined.
 
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