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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yep. they can close as many stores as they like in response. or, they could treat their employees a bit better, and avoid the issue entirely.

    You are correct, unfortunately the law is tilted in favor of unionization. If the employees are being paid less than they deserve, then they should go work elsewhere and make their deserved rate in the marketplace. If they can't do that, then they are getting paid what they deserve, which means that what they are actually doing is blaming their employer for their own faults.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    I get that, and the job gets filled by someone else who is either content to exit at the same pay grade as the entry, a temporary employee who wants a part time job, or someone who looks at the job as an opportunity.

    I've stated. There will always be low end jobs. How you treat it is your choice.

    Still would be interested in the origin of the 25% fact.
    The origin is that according to a stat I recently cited, 25% of jobs in this country are below the poverty line. I think we are mostly on the same page, we just have a small disagreement about how to fix it or if it is worth fixing.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    You are correct, unfortunately the law is tilted in favor of unionization. If the employees are being paid less than they deserve, then they should go work elsewhere and make their deserved rate in the marketplace. If they can't do that, then they are getting paid what they deserve, which means that what they are actually doing is blaming their employer for their own faults.
    This line of thinking doesn't even reach the complexity of Econ 101.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are correct, unfortunately the law is tilted in favor of unionization. If the employees are being paid less than they deserve, then they should go work elsewhere and make their deserved rate in the marketplace. If they can't do that, then they are getting paid what they deserve, which means that what they are actually doing is blaming their employer for their own faults.
    nah, they should organize and sell their labor for the best price, just as corporations organize and buy laws that help them out.

    come on, man. honesty among thieves here.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    nah, they should organize and sell their labor for the best price, just as corporations organize and buy laws that help them out.

    come on, man. honesty among thieves here.
    1. Unions are the largest political donors by far.
    2. Rent-Seeking is destructive behavior.
    3. If they want to sell their labor for the best price, I encourage them to do so. If they want to use coercion and the violence of the state to create and force others to purchase from an artificial monopoly, then I am as against that as I would be if the sellers of any other good or service were to attempt to do so.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    This line of thinking doesn't even reach the complexity of Econ 101.
    oh hey look, ad hominem fallacy

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    oh hey look, ad hominem fallacy
    At least he didn't throw this post at you:

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    Why dont you just get a job that pays twice what you currently earn?
    Or:
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    Why didn't you make more money than you did?
    See a pattern here:

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    Why don't you get a job that pays better than the one you have now?
    I still don't know where he was going with it.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Unions are the largest political donors by far.
    2. Rent-Seeking is destructive behavior.
    3. If they want to sell their labor for the best price, I encourage them to do so. If they want to use coercion and the violence of the state to create and force others to purchase from an artificial monopoly, then I am as against that as I would be if the sellers of any other good or service were to attempt to do so.
    unions sure aren't getting much bang for their buck. either way, the average worker has been getting the short end of the stick. and if you don't want your workers to organize, don't treat them like dog****.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Unions are the largest political donors by far.
    2. Rent-Seeking is destructive behavior.
    3. If they want to sell their labor for the best price, I encourage them to do so. If they want to use coercion and the violence of the state to create and force others to purchase from an artificial monopoly, then I am as against that as I would be if the sellers of any other good or service were to attempt to do so.
    Unions are NOT the largest political donors. The donate a small fraction of what major corporations do.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    unions sure aren't getting much bang for their buck. either way, the average worker has been getting the short end of the stick. and if you don't want your workers to organize, don't treat them like dog****.
    Being low-income appears to have broadly negative correlation with unionization, actually. Corporatism in the labor sector seems to broadly be how the middle class benefits itself at the expense of the lower-income.

    As for bang for their buck - labor laws in this country continue to favor unionization over the individual worker or business. The WORKERS aren't getting much bang for their buck, agreeably.

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