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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I'm sorry that I don't like the fact that our current society requires 25% of the workforce to be irrelevant and poor.
    Lazy and stupid people will always be poor no matter what the system

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's true. There's so much more to wealth than working hard. Personally, I'm not poor but I acknowledge that I'll likely never be rich, not because I think there are forces working to keep me down, but because I'm not willing to take the risks necessary. I think any "honest" job is honorable, but the notion that hard work should equal great wealth is simplistic. There's a reason some jobs are low wage.
    I dont think any one is saying that, hard work will get you to the middle class

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Lazy and stupid people will always be poor no matter what the system
    If only that were true. There are far too many lazy and stupid people with money and power.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I dont think any one is saying that, hard work will get you to the middle class
    Are you saying that's a rule? Do you have any sort of statistic to show that?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I agree with most of that. I feel the same way about my ability to break the "rich" threshold.

    I've decided that I don't have any answers on how to fix it or if it's fixable, but I will always hate that there are people out there that put in a hard 40+ hours a week (most of them way more) and something as simple as needing new tires can ruin their year. And I'll continue to hate hearing people call them lazy - some of them may be lazy or even a good portion of them, but not all of them are and their situations suck hard enough that they don't need outside forces putting them down even more.
    I can't find anything here to take much issue with, damn you.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I dont think any one is saying that, hard work will get you to the middle class
    That's assuming you can stay where you were first employed. My brother works hard, but he keeps having to start over someplace else due to warehouse closings. By the same token, he did make the choice to not get a college degree and to leave the Air Force before he could retire so I totally get how a person's own decisions have a significant impact.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Are you saying that's a rule? Do you have any sort of statistic to show that?
    Let politicians, schoolteachers and administrators, community leaders, ministers and parents drill into children the message that in a free society, they enter adulthood with three major responsibilities: at least finish high school, get a full-time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.

    Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2 percent are in poverty and nearly 75 percent have joined the middle class (defined as earning around $55,000 or more per year).
    Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class | Brookings Institution

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    how hard is it for you to admit that most of them are hard working Americans who deserve more opportunities to pull themselves out of poverty?
    Not sure I would go with "most", but yeah, there are a hell of a lot of hard working Americans out there. Union and non alike. I will not dispute that. And I do not begrudge anyone the opportunity to pull themselves out of poverty, I celebrate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you loathe labor unions? are you living in a company town, hopelessly in debt to your employer, or are you enjoying a two day weekend of dicking around on the internet and bitching about the lower socioeconomic class and how lazy they are? maybe you ought to think about that one for a minute.
    Perhaps I was a little harsh. I hold no animosity towards anyone who wants to be a member of a union. By the same token, I don't think people should be forced into a union. But, in my opinion, unions have become more of a partisan political force than they are an advocate for the working man.

    And please, the "company town" is a thing of the past in this day and age, whether you are union, or non union. And if you want to claim that unions are responsible for that, fine. But unions of today are nothing like unions of yesteryear.

    Just so we're clear. I am a self employed tradesman. I am non-union. If I am enjoying a two day weekend, it is because I have chosen to, and on my own dime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no one wants to rob you of ****ing walmart. they are the nation's largest employer, though, and i would like to see them do more to help the average worker to reclaim some semblance of the standard of living that they used to have before manufacturing went to ****. and i'm willing to pay a little more for groceries to get there, because i'm already paying for it in taxes to supplement their artificially low incomes.
    Au contraire mon frere, you and your liberal brethren do want to rob me of Walmart as I know it. And exchange it for a high priced union shop.

    What exactly do you mean by, "artificially low incomes"?

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Not sure I would go with "most", but yeah, there are a hell of a lot of hard working Americans out there. Union and non alike. I will not dispute that. And I do not begrudge anyone the opportunity to pull themselves out of poverty, I celebrate it.
    yep, me too. we agree on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Perhaps I was a little harsh. I hold no animosity towards anyone who wants to be a member of a union. By the same token, I don't think people should be forced into a union. But, in my opinion, unions have become more of a partisan political force than they are an advocate for the working man.
    this was definitely the case in the late 20th century. the pendulum can definitely swing both ways, though. i just see a need for organization in this sector. they have to be careful not to ask for stupid ****, though. job security and increased access to promotion is what they should be asking for, not a $20 an hour base salary.

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    And please, the "company town" is a thing of the past in this day and age, whether you are union, or non union. And if you want to claim that unions are responsible for that, fine. But unions of today are nothing like unions of yesteryear.
    things like this really can happen again. the balance of power has really shifted. i work in micro / biochem research, and even i am forced to deal with a "great job, you're still fired" labor market. ****, i even had to work as an "independent contractor," and got promoted all the way up to my firing date. i'm still sore about that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Just so we're clear. I am a self employed tradesman. I am non-union. If I am enjoying a two day weekend, it is because I have chosen to, and on my own dime.
    yeah, but a lot of people only enjoy a two day weekend because our ancestors fought their asses off for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Au contraire mon frere, you and your liberal brethren do want to rob me of Walmart as I know it. And exchange it for a high priced union shop.
    i don't want to rob you of anything. but i would like to see Walmart treat its workers better, and labor organization is the best path that i can see to achieve that outcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    What exactly do you mean by, "artificially low incomes"?
    it means that you're paying a lot more than you think for those low prices, because a lot of those workers draw significant public assistance in lieu of salary.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yep, me too. we agree on that.



    this was definitely the case in the late 20th century. the pendulum can definitely swing both ways, though. i just see a need for organization in this sector. they have to be careful not to ask for stupid ****, though. job security and increased access to promotion is what they should be asking for, not a $20 an hour base salary.



    things like this really can happen again. the balance of power has really shifted. i work in micro / biochem research, and even i am forced to deal with a "great job, you're still fired" labor market. ****, i even had to work as an "independent contractor," and got promoted all the way up to my firing date. i'm still sore about that one.



    yeah, but a lot of people only enjoy a two day weekend because our ancestors fought their asses off for that.



    i don't want to rob you of anything. but i would like to see Walmart treat its workers better, and labor organization is the best path that i can see to achieve that outcome.



    it means that you're paying a lot more than you think for those low prices, because a lot of those workers draw significant public assistance in lieu of salary.
    Valid points bro. I may not agree with you on everything, but I don't think we're as far apart as I originally thought. Your heart is in the right place, sorry for implying otherwise earlier.

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