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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Its a cycle when hard workers get promoted others will follow in their place and have to work their way up. I obviously haven't met all of the low wage workers but in my experience any one them who were low wage for a long tine were either lazy/incompetent or didnt want to move up. Theres this one kid that works for me now, early 20s not going to college, hard worker shows up every day. Theres a supervisor position open and he would get it if he applied but has not interest in doing anything other than being a stocker and despite Helix's claim that people always want raises and promotions this is the type of **** that really baffles the theorists when they venture into the real world.
    Venture into the real world? I do just fine, thanks.

    Anyway, it seems to have gone over your head that low-wage jobs exist no matter how hard people work. Your theory is complete horse****. If every single person in the country worked exactly the same amount, had the same IQ, and the same education, there would still be janitors and cashiers.

    In the world of variables, they are a constant.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Venture into the real world? I do just fine, thanks.

    Anyway, it seems to have gone over your head that low-wage jobs exist no matter how hard people work. Your theory is complete horse****. If every single person in the country worked exactly the same amount, had the same IQ, and the same education, there would still be janitors and cashiers.

    In the world of variables, they are a constant.
    Nothing has gone over my head, yes if we lived in a world where everyone was hard workers we would still have low wage jobs. However we live in the real world and some people are lazy and it just so happens that in a capitalist society those lazy people end up at the bottom, its not a coincidence.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Nothing has gone over my head, yes if we lived in a world where everyone was hard workers we would still have low wage jobs. However we live in the real world and some people are lazy and it just so happens that in a capitalist society those lazy people end up at the bottom, its not a coincidence.
    There are plenty of lazy people at the top and hard workers at the bottom. The free market isn't magical.

    True, if you are super lazy, there is a good chance you'll never make much money. However, the idea that just because you work hard, you'll get out poverty? That's complete bull****.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    There are plenty of lazy people at the top and hard workers at the bottom. The free market isn't magical.

    True, if you are super lazy, there is a good chance you'll never make much money. However, the idea that just because you work hard, you'll get out poverty? That's complete bull****.
    its does take some level of intelligence also but it is essentially true that hard work will get you out of poverty. A base level job at walmart pays 150% of the federal poverty level, work at the same low level position for 12 years and you are at 300% of the federal poverty level. So joe schmo drops out of high school gets a job at walmart and by his 30th birthday hes making lower middle class money.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    There are plenty of lazy people at the top and hard workers at the bottom. The free market isn't magical.

    True, if you are super lazy, there is a good chance you'll never make much money. However, the idea that just because you work hard, you'll get out poverty? That's complete bull****.
    That's true. There's so much more to wealth than working hard. Personally, I'm not poor but I acknowledge that I'll likely never be rich, not because I think there are forces working to keep me down, but because I'm not willing to take the risks necessary. I think any "honest" job is honorable, but the notion that hard work should equal great wealth is simplistic. There's a reason some jobs are low wage.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    its does take some level of intelligence also but it is essentially true that hard work will get you out of poverty. A base level job at walmart pays 150% of the federal poverty level, work at the same low level position for 12 years and you are at 300% of the federal poverty level. So joe schmo drops out of high school gets a job at walmart and by his 30th birthday hes making lower middle class money.
    That's the theory, right? Except the time his boss told him he was lazy and didn't care about the company because he couldn't get to work during the gas crisis of 2008. Or he wasn't full time, so when he got hurt at work he didn't have insurance and he was fired. Or, like what happens to many, is they get tired of being treated like **** by the people like you who are in charge, so they go to another job, only to work for another guy like you.

    I worked low-wage jobs from 16-29. I found it increasingly difficult to get recognized or promoted, regardless of how well I performed, because, quite frankly, no one really gives a **** or pays attention to those positions. Rarely do the morons who are their direct managers ever get promoted or move up, so there is no reason to examine the employee base for potential talent, and if they get frustrated, they can easily be replaced.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    Any group does have a right to strike, and the company has a right to fire them.
    The company can try, but if the strike is successful everybody goes back to work.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's the theory, right? Except the time his boss told him he was lazy and didn't care about the company because he couldn't get to work during the gas crisis of 2008. Or he wasn't full time, so when he got hurt at work he didn't have insurance and he was fired. Or, like what happens to many, is they get tired of being treated like **** by the people like you who are in charge, so they go to another job, only to work for another guy like you.

    I worked low-wage jobs from 16-29. I found it increasingly difficult to get recognized or promoted, regardless of how well I performed, because, quite frankly, no one really gives a **** or pays attention to those positions. Rarely do the morons who are their direct managers ever get promoted or move up, so there is no reason to examine the employee base for potential talent, and if they get frustrated, they can easily be replaced.
    Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

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    That's true. There's so much more to wealth than working hard. Personally, I'm not poor but I acknowledge that I'll likely never be rich, not because I think there are forces working to keep me down, but because I'm not willing to take the risks necessary. I think any "honest" job is honorable, but the notion that hard work should equal great wealth is simplistic. There's a reason some jobs are low wage.
    I agree with most of that. I feel the same way about my ability to break the "rich" threshold.

    I've decided that I don't have any answers on how to fix it or if it's fixable, but I will always hate that there are people out there that put in a hard 40+ hours a week (most of them way more) and something as simple as needing new tires can ruin their year. And I'll continue to hate hearing people call them lazy - some of them may be lazy or even a good portion of them, but not all of them are and their situations suck hard enough that they don't need outside forces putting them down even more.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me

    don't make excuses make improvements
    I'm sorry that I don't like the fact that our current society requires 25% of the workforce to be irrelevant and poor.
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