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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Again you run away from your wider "ladder rung" BS and are back to wanting Walmart to pay ENTRY LEVEL cashiers more so that those with lower household incomes will not require so much taxpayer assistance from the "safety net". What you refuse to accept is that will simply shift the Walmart cashier's subsidy from the taxpayers (the rich?), who are now forced to increase the pay of low wage workers only if they have dependents, to the poor (since Walmart shoppers are not 1%ers) who then must pay higher retail prices at Walmart by raising the pay of even those workers that have no dependents and are not poor now.

    You are basically now into that "living wage" camp that sees unions as a non-governmental way of raising the minimum wage one industry/company at a time - the if you are a bigger company then you should pay a bigger wage for the same job nonsense. Entry level jobs have never paid enough to support a family of four on one full-time income and certainly not with all of the luxury items (cable TV, internet, air conditioning and video games) that are now deemed to be essential.
    Liberal solutions always, always, always cause the most harm to those they pretend to care about. "Just charge five bucks for the Tide instead of four". Except that the Tide is already seven or eight bucks, and will likely need to be 10 or 12 bucks to pay everyone "top rung" wages. Even if charging a buck more for each item was plausible, how much more money is that for the average poor person to pay on each trip to the store? $50? $75? $100? Libs never really think these things through.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    People sometimes confuse threats with information. I remember when the warehouse workers of a company for which I worked decided to unionize, thereby doubling imployee costs in the warehouse. I remember explaining to them that doubling the cost of warehouse payroll would motivate the company to move the function to a third party warehousing company simply because it would be less expensive. It wasn't a threat. It was an explanation that they were in competition with third party services. They unionized and we moved the merchandise to a third party warehouse, causing all of them to lose their jobs. It wasn't a vindicitve measure. It was a cost saving measure. Saving costs was part of my job.

    Walmart imployees face the same reality. It isn't so much a matter of what a job is worth or not worth. It is a matter of competition. Because Walmart can find effective employees at the wages they pay, there is no motivation to increase the wages. If they had to increase the wages in order to attract effective employees, that is what they would do. If we can improve the economy and business growth exactly that will happen. Competition is what drives capitalism and capitalism is what drives our entire wealth as a nation.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    nice strawman. not once in this thread have i argued for an increased minimum wage for retail employees. i argued for more opportunities for promotion so that they wouldn't have to draw ****ing public assistance.

    you have a problem with that? really? well, then, i guess, enjoy paying for public assistance, because that's something you'll be doing long term. myself, i'd prefer to help the poor to work their way out of poverty.
    I thought I had explained to you (and others) that climbing the ladder at WalMart was very possible and opportunities were all over the place for pay raises and increased responsibilities. Furthermore this notion that everyone who works at WalMart or McDonalds is on public assistance is nonsense. I am not saying there are none, but I would wager that there are a few folks who word at more "acceptable" places that are on some form of public assistance also. I would also add that many WalMart Associates are younger (18-22) who are still living with their parents and their parents are drawing assistance not the Associate.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It always comes back to the blame game, discussing how poor folk have things they don't need anymore. Meanwhile, you're defending a system that is designed to keep them there.

    And can we cut the **** with blaming TV and video games? I remember when I was poor - yeah, a video game was a Christmas present maybe or a special treat. And guess what, you didn't get to tell me I didn't deserve it then, and you don't now.

    What hurt when I was poor was my brakes going out, needing to fix something in my apartment, a doctor's bill, and other unexpected big ticket items that can pop up when you are broke. FYI, big ticket items when you work at a place like Walmart is $200+ - so it doesn't require much to **** all over your month. But hey, it's great to be judgmental and pretend like you're better than them, right?
    I am "them" and live on an income below the federal poverty line. Although I make about $15/hour when I do work, I do not work anywhere near 40 hours in a typical week. Demanding that the bigger employers pay bigger wages is simply silly, as is making the argument that one's pay should increase as their expenses do regardless of the value of their labor - the basic idea behind the "safety net" programs.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am "them" and live on an income below the federal poverty line. Although I make about $15/hour when I do work, I do not work anywhere near 40 hours in a typical week. Demanding that the bigger employers pay bigger wages is simply silly, as is making the argument that one's pay should increase as their expenses do regardless of the value of their labor - the basic idea behind the "safety net" programs.
    Clearly the value of labor is subjective. Walk around your typical office building and you'll see a large percentage of jerk-offs thinking they are important because they spend 90% of their day on conference calls pretending like they're doing something. The best part is how they think no one else can do their job.

    Anyway, do you have some other supplemental form of income or are you just a glutton for punishment?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Rentoc View Post
    I thought I had explained to you (and others) that climbing the ladder at WalMart was very possible and opportunities were all over the place for pay raises and increased responsibilities. Furthermore this notion that everyone who works at WalMart or McDonalds is on public assistance is nonsense. I am not saying there are none, but I would wager that there are a few folks who word at more "acceptable" places that are on some form of public assistance also. I would also add that many WalMart Associates are younger (18-22) who are still living with their parents and their parents are drawing assistance not the Associate.
    yeah, i'm sure that they are all kids who want to live with the rents and make a little pocket money.

    come on, man. let's pay a couple bucks more and help people make their way into the middle class. the status quo isn't working.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, i'm sure that they are all kids who want to live with the rents and make a little pocket money.

    come on, man. let's pay a couple bucks more and help people make their way into the middle class. the status quo isn't working.
    Here's an idea, why don't you start a company and pay people as much as you want. And stop trying to dictate to others what to do. Just a thought.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Here's an idea, why don't you start a company and pay people as much as you want. And stop trying to dictate to others what to do. Just a thought.
    i'm not trying to dictate anything. i'm advocating for letting laborers organize if they feel that their employer is treating them poorly.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm not trying to dictate anything. i'm advocating for letting laborers organize if they feel that their employer is treating them poorly.
    Bull****.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Bull****.
    this is the part where i'm supposed to ask you what you think i'm arguing for. the thing is, i don't care what you think. i want people who work for the nation's largest employer to have better opportunities to climb the ladder so that they don''t have to draw public assistance.

    don't believe me? i don't give a ****.

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