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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no, they should encourage workers to work hard and be loyal, and reward them for that hard work via more promotions and raises. entry level jobs are always going to pay ****, but every company benefits from workers who are trying to climb the ladder. i mean, yeah, **** is cheap there, but make it a touch more expensive and help the workers to stay off of public assistance.
    "They" have a duty to the stockholders above the employees. Walmart is one of the largest employers in the world behind like the Chinese railroad. If they need a worker, they have them already or will get them in due course. If you want to create jobs, you would be better off saying "Amazon, be more like Walmart and build some stores".

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Agreed - sort of. I generally don't like when people bitch and then don't have a solution, but I guess I'm that guy today. I don't know the best way to fix our societies economic injustices, I just know it's ****ed up. I know when people say, "well they should have worked harder and they could have climbed the ladder", it's nonsense. Everyone can't work harder and climb the ladder - it's just not possible in our current economy. Someone has to stay behind and wait on people and clean up their ****.

    So while I can't say how to fix it, all I can say is at least treat these people with respect.
    There is a fundamental flaw in most people's economic analysis that I have referenced here before. It is called the productivity paradox. People are engrained with the concept of the alleged economy of scale because business wants business majors to believe the propaganda. Very often, the economy of scale is exactly the opposite what people believe. Small farms are more productive than big farms for instance. Big farms operate in a manner intended to reduce labor costs, not generate the largest output. It is why they are sucking up all our farmland--they need it to hide their production inefficiencies. You won't change the world alone, but sourcing your food from the closest supplier instead of from Dole on the Food Lion carts and being willing to pay more for it would be a start.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    You haven't answered me at all, what % of a stores jobs should be management type positions for there to be an adequate opportunity to climb the ladder?
    ****, i don't know, dude. just give them a chance to work their way out of poverty, and to be good, loyal, and self sufficient workers.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    "They" have a duty to the stockholders above the employees. Walmart is one of the largest employers in the world behind like the Chinese railroad. If they need a worker, they have them already or will get them in due course. If you want to create jobs, you would be better off saying "Amazon, be more like Walmart and build some stores".
    eh, i think that capitalism is more than just profit or growth. it is the best way to encourage people to work their way up the socioeconomic ladder. it is the only system in which a person can be born into poverty and achieve a good standard of living through hard work. i think that we should encourage that, and at this point, it requires organized labor to make sure that the rungs of the ladder aren't too far apart.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    eh, i think that capitalism is more than just profit or growth. it is the best way to encourage people to work their way up the socioeconomic ladder. it is the only system in which a person can be born into poverty and achieve a good standard of living through hard work. i think that we should encourage that, and at this point, it requires organized labor to make sure that the rungs of the ladder aren't too far apart.
    Unless you own Walmart stock, you get no say in what Walmart does or does not have as part of its mission. You will help people move up the economic ladder faster by plowing into them with your car and letting them sue you, win, and clean out your insurance company than you will by beating your head against the Walmart brick wall.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    ****, i don't know, dude. just give them a chance to work their way out of poverty, and to be good, loyal, and self sufficient workers.
    That chance already exists, those who arent working their way out have only themselves to blame

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Unless you own Walmart stock, you get no say in what Walmart does or does not have as part of its mission. You will help people move up the economic ladder faster by plowing into them with your car and letting them sue you, win, and clean out your insurance company than you will by beating your head against the Walmart brick wall.
    well, i guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree. walmart is going to come to a point where they will have to deal with labor organization, and the reason for this will be that they don't give their workers enough opportunities to climb the ladder. if they deal with this by closing stores, then they will be closing a lot of them. it would be much better for them to just raise prices a bit, but i don't think that this is likely. so i guess that they can just deal with the unions that are pretty much inevitable at this point.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    That chance already exists, those who arent working their way out have only themselves to blame
    this is oversimplified bull****, and you know it. the problem isn't the laziness of workers. i know, because i live in a town where people work their asses off and get paid **** for it.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, i guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree. walmart is going to come to a point where they will have to deal with labor organization, and the reason for this will be that they don't give their workers enough opportunities to climb the ladder. if they deal with this by closing stores, then they will be closing a lot of them. it would be much better for them to just raise prices a bit, but i don't think that this is likely. so i guess that they can just deal with the unions that are pretty much inevitable at this point.
    Doubtful Walmart will unionize in the retail end of the business. Maybe the warehouse workers at best. Walmart won't shut down stores. They will bankrupt suppliers first.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Doubtful Walmart will unionize in the retail end of the business. Maybe the warehouse workers at best. Walmart won't shut down stores. They will bankrupt suppliers first.
    they are really fighting unionization, so it will take a while. they could fight it off completely with very little effort, though.

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