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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; constitutional are collective, yeah, sure they are.

    Huh? You wanna try English? Thanks.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Okay okay, sorry, I missed it.
    No trouble. I think that sometimes perhaps people's prejudices run away with them. I can tell you from direct experience that organized companies have more productive and happier work forces: being in a union removes a lot of stress from a person and they don;t have to be so vigilant because management has some bad apples. They show up for work more consistently, they feel on an equal level with management. Management's labor costs, insurance costs and usual overtime are predetermined and stable. The work force in particular is more stable. Non union companies have notoriously high turnover rates because they don't pay well, they work part time and have their schedules shifted all the time and people want more stability. That's a big problem for walmart and these fast food companies and that's why the organizing drives are getting bigger and bigger: I've been telling conservatives for years now that this would start to happen, and low and behold!

    What brings it on is the draconian hubris of companies like walmart and Mcdonald's: happens every time.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Huh? You wanna try English? Thanks.
    Good catch:
    Yeah; constitutional rights are collective, sure they are.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    In other words, you got nuthin'. Lol.....
    I've followed this issue on this forum for years. I'm pretty aware of the nuances of the case. To state otherwise would be to ignore 8+ years on this forum. Thom Payne's question is akin to asking what the abortion debate is about 50 years after Roe v. Wade. If you don't know by now...
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Not during an organizing drive.
    doesn't matter if the store can't stay in business then the store can't stay in business.
    organizing or not.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you have no clue about what you are talking about.

    most companies do not have PTO time only a few here and there. most have vacation/personal/sick.
    what you mentioned would be personal time not sick time.

    sick time is reserved for being sick.

    you not calling into work in any company is grounds for termination union or not.
    Under contracts with the Teamsters they known as "sick days". Vacation was something else. And you just said yourself: "personal" time. That's what sick days were for. Now, not calling in is something else. Many companies won't terminate for the first offense: under a contract, you can and usually will get a warning letter: after 6 months they can;t be used against you in the future. With some it's a year.

    As for knowing what I'm talking about, I do. The trouble is I sometimes take for granted that others know what I'm referring to.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    In unreal conservative land the rights of individuals are routinely denied.
    completely untrue.

    however doing an illegal strike as these workers did the company had every right to do whatever they did. they are not a union nor are they represented by a union.
    even if they were to get a union there is nothing that says the company has to comply with union demands.

    they can simply hire other people willing to work.
    plenty of people out there making 0 that would love to make 11 bucks an hour.

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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    doesn't matter if the store can't stay in business then the store can't stay in business.
    organizing or not.


    You're not getting it, and I think you're making it up as you go along.

    IF a company is in financial trouble, then the employees will know it way ahead of time because you can't keep a secret like that, so why organize. If during an organizing campaign, the company suddenly declares that they're in financial trouble and will close or move, that is an illegal and unfair labor practice under the law. That's why walmart got stuck.

    IF what you're trying to say is true, then walmart wouldn't have gotten stuck by the law now would they?
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    completely untrue.

    however doing an illegal strike as these workers did the company had every right to do whatever they did. they are not a union nor are they represented by a union.
    even if they were to get a union there is nothing that says the company has to comply with union demands.

    they can simply hire other people willing to work.
    plenty of people out there making 0 that would love to make 11 bucks an hour.
    Define for me an illegal strike.
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    Re: Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Under contracts with the Teamsters they known as "sick days". Vacation was something else. And you just said yourself: "personal" time. That's what sick days were for. Now, not calling in is something else. Many companies won't terminate for the first offense: under a contract, you can and usually will get a warning letter: after 6 months they can;t be used against you in the future. With some it's a year.

    As for knowing what I'm talking about, I do. The trouble is I sometimes take for granted that others know what I'm referring to.
    we are not talking teamsters we are talking real world. in the real world if you call in sick to much or are not sick and call in sick you get in trouble
    and possibly lose your job.

    as I said. if you worked for me called in sick and were caught at a protest you would be written up no doubt about it.
    you lied for not being sick.

    you caused someone else to have to work over or come in for your shift so you could screw off.

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