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Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

jet57 said:
Define for me an illegal strike.
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you are not part of a union you have 0 right to strike. these workers are not union and protested and basically in a strike or walk out.
they didn't show up to work when they were supposed to.

I would have fired them. hired people that actually wanted jobs and to work.
 
ludin said:
you are not part of a union you have 0 right to strike. these workers are not union and protested and basically in a strike or walk out.
they didn't show up to work when they were supposed to.

I would have fired them. hired people that actually wanted jobs and to work.
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And you'd have corporate calling for your head after all the negative publicity you brought them.
 
jet57 said:
:roll:

You're not getting it, and I think you're making it up as you go along.

IF a company is in financial trouble, then the employees will know it way ahead of time because you can't keep a secret like that, so why organize. If during an organizing campaign, the company suddenly declares that they're in financial trouble and will close or move, that is an illegal and unfair labor practice under the law. That's why walmart got stuck.

IF what you're trying to say is true, then walmart wouldn't have gotten stuck by the law now would they?
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nope I am not making it up.
reality says otherwise.

nope they might not know a head of time. it isn't illegal have a nice day. it happens all the time. nothing is done and companies are not charged.

they are appealing the ruling and they will win on appeal.
pro-union NLB and pro-union judge I wonder what the outcome would be.

wearing union shirts do not conform to walmart dress code either I would assume.
so they were wrong that they can wear pro-union shirts. no they can't at least not during work hours.

they can't leave their jobs to go picket or strike since they are non-union. the company can hire them at will.
 
ludin said:
we are not talking teamsters we are talking real world. in the real world if you call in sick to much or are not sick and call in sick you get in trouble
and possibly lose your job.

as I said. if you worked for me called in sick and were caught at a protest you would be written up no doubt about it.
you lied for not being sick.

you caused someone else to have to work over or come in for your shift so you could screw off.
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Yeah; you're not getting. I referred to "sick days" because that's what we used as PTO. You jumped to the conclusion that I was "committing some sort of fraud" because you didn't know what I was talking about.

Non union people don't usually take illegal time off, unless they don't care. The Teamsters Union has been in the real world of this country for 115 years, so get used to us.
 
Look guys. I have a very busy day today and it's 10:15. This is a great discussion; I'm having a great time, but I gotta go for now. I'll rejoin you tomorrow.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah; you're not getting. I referred to "sick days" because that's what we used as PTO. You jumped to the conclusion that I was "committing some sort of fraud" because you didn't know what I was talking about.

Non union people don't usually take illegal time off, unless they don't care. The Teamsters Union has been in the real world of this country for 115 years, so get used to us.
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nope PTO is different and not many companies use it.
you said sick days deal with it. that is not my fault.

you stated sick days that is what I was going by. taking off work by using sick days and not being sick is nothing more than fraud. sick days are to be used when you are sick.
if you were referring to PTO time then you should have said PTO time. it is not my job to read your mind or your brain and figure out what you are trying to talk about.

the teamsters are nothing short of union thugs that cry every time they don't get their way.
they bully people and threaten all those that refuse to join their little group.

seeing how only about 6% of the work force wants belongs to a union and many more are trying to escape they won't be around to much longer.
 
ludin said:
not at all
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One store screwing with the brand is not something an organization like Walmart is going to take lightly.
 
Deuce said:
Why don't you get a job that pays better than the one you have now?
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Ummm, because I saved my money and was able to retire comfortably?
 
Helix said:
Henrin, you think everything other than anarchy is involuntary servitude.
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That was just a comparison being used towards my point, not the point itself. The point I was making is that biggest union supporters oppose you position because they claim if people have a choice to join their union they wouldn't be able to get anything from employers.
 
Deuce said:
Why didn't you make more money than you did?
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Quit embarrassing yourself, Deuce. I retired in my 50's, and like I said, I'm living comfortably.

So maybe you should look for a career job where you can do that, also.
 
Meister said:
Quit embarrassing yourself, Deuce. I retired in my 50's, and like I said, I'm living comfortably.

So maybe you should look for a career job where you can do that, also.
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Not embarrassing myself. I've successfully demonstrated how ridiculous a line of questions this is.

"Why don't those minimum wage workers just get a better job" is not different than the question I asked you. Both are questions only a child would ask.
 
jet57 said:
No trouble. I think that sometimes perhaps people's prejudices run away with them. I can tell you from direct experience that organized companies have more productive and happier work forces: being in a union removes a lot of stress from a person and they don;t have to be so vigilant because management has some bad apples. They show up for work more consistently, they feel on an equal level with management. Management's labor costs, insurance costs and usual overtime are predetermined and stable. The work force in particular is more stable. Non union companies have notoriously high turnover rates because they don't pay well, they work part time and have their schedules shifted all the time and people want more stability. That's a big problem for walmart and these fast food companies and that's why the organizing drives are getting bigger and bigger: I've been telling conservatives for years now that this would start to happen, and low and behold!

What brings it on is the draconian hubris of companies like walmart and Mcdonald's: happens every time.
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Yeah, and that "stress relief" comes at a huge cost to consumers in the form of overpriced everything. Was my bare bones '09 Chevy Silvarado work truck with crank windows worth $28,000? Of course it wasn't. Thanks UAW.

I mean no offense, but I seriously cannot understand the mindset of people like you. Here you are calling employers "thugs" because they expect their employees to show up for work. While at the same time, you are a member of the Teamsters, an organization who have a long history of actual, violent thuggery. The hypocrisy is truly astonishing. :shock:
 
countryboy said:
Yeah, and that "stress relief" comes at a huge cost to consumers in the form of overpriced everything. Was my bare bones '09 Chevy Silvarado work truck with crank windows worth $28,000? Of course it wasn't. Thanks UAW.

I mean no offense, but I seriously cannot understand the mindset of people like you. Here you are calling employers "thugs" because they expect their employees to show up for work. While at the same time, you are a member of the Teamsters, an organization who have a long history of actual, violent thuggery. The hypocrisy is truly astonishing. :shock:
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And anti-union operations have never been violent. :lamo
 
Deuce said:
Not embarrassing myself. I've successfully demonstrated how ridiculous a line of questions this is.

"Why don't those minimum wage workers just get a better job" is not different than the question I asked you. Both are questions only a child would ask.
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You have demonstrated nothing of the sort. If a person doesn't like his job or the pay of the job, he can look elsewhere for something he would be satisfied with....as I did.
You just looked silly with your posts.
 
Deuce said:
One store screwing with the brand is not something an organization like Walmart is going to take lightly.
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LOL it isn't the first time walmart has done something like this.
they literally shut a store down in Canada for the same thing.

went the store isn't making money and went good bye.
 
Crovax said:
You still didnt answer

What % of a companys workers should be in management positions?
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not every promotion has to be a high paying management position. just give them something to work for and more rungs on the ladder.

does every pro labor move piss you off? come one. just help people get to a point where they don't have to draw assistance.

Crovax said:
And you cant just promote someone for being there a long time, they might not want to move father up the ladder and some might not be qualified or have the skill to move up to the next level. Not to mention that shouldnt the best person for fhe promotion get it regardless of tenure?
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yes, i'm sure they want to stay in a ****ty position at a ****ty wage long term. :roll:

****ing train them. it helps your business when workers are dedicated and loyal. i can't even believe that anyone would disagree with that.
 
Henrin said:
That was just a comparison being used towards my point, not the point itself. The point I was making is that biggest union supporters oppose you position because they claim if people have a choice to join their union they wouldn't be able to get anything from employers.
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the first step is to organize. the second step is to come up with a list of realistic demands. the third step is to negotiate.
 
Helix said:
not every promotion has to be a high paying management position. just give them something to work for and more rungs on the ladder.

does every pro labor move piss you off? come one. just help people get to a point where they don't have to draw assistance.
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I keep asking the question because I dont think you know how walmart actually works they have lots of lower level management positions. Figured out an answer yet?

yes, i'm sure they want to stay in a ****ty position at a ****ty wage long term. :roll:

****ing train them. it helps your business when workers are dedicated and loyal. i can't even believe that anyone would disagree with that.
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The wage isnt ****ty, and most of the people in the lower management positions are 2nd income wives who have been with walmart for a very long time. They have no desire to move up, most companies usually end up firing them or forcing them to move up to a position they dont want/cant handle. How would you suggest walmart fix the problem that clogs up the ladder?
 
countryboy said:
Very good point. Especially since two wrongs always make a right. :roll:
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Similarly, because some union people have been violent, all unions are bad and that's why it's not fair to say mean things about businesses.
 
Meister said:
You have demonstrated nothing of the sort. If a person doesn't like his job or the pay of the job, he can look elsewhere for something he would be satisfied with....as I did.
You just looked silly with your posts.
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Have you done the math on the number of people who should get higher-paying jobs versus the number of such jobs that exist?
 
Crovax said:
I keep asking the question because I dont think you know how walmart actually works they have lots of lower level management positions. Figured out an answer yet?



The wage isnt ****ty, and most of the people in the lower management positions are 2nd income wives who have been with walmart for a very long time. They have no desire to move up, most companies usually end up firing them or forcing them to move up to a position they dont want/cant handle. How would you suggest walmart fix the problem that clogs up the ladder?
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i don't believe that most workers don't want promotions and pay raises, because that assertion is just ridiculous.
 
Helix said:
i don't believe that most workers don't want promotions and pay raises, because that assertion is just ridiculous.
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You cant understand why a 2nd income wife making a some extra money and passing time wouldn't want to go to a more stressful position with worse hours or why a retiree drawing ss and working part time wouldnt want to make more money and cut into their ss benefits?

Edit: how much do you think a person who is in the base tier of hourly management and has worked at walmart for 20 years makes?
 
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