Protecting the nation, against all enemies, foreign or Democrat, I mean domestic, will always be honorable.
Yet the report that came out today states that despite all of the torture committed under the Bush Administration, not one single useful piece of intel was had. Sure a shame after all of that hard work, eh?
That's right, X. American torture is almost humanitarian. :roll:
Well then, I'd say it did the opposite. And you think it unfair that Americans are more hated than ever?
Sometimes John McCain gets it right.
He certainly did today.
Thank you sir.
If you have a wish to commit suicide I will not stand in your way. But you have no right to take the enation down with you.
War is war. Grow up.
And then we become the bad people too.
McCain, while not a traitor certainly threw his hat in with those who are.
The enation? Is that like a nation on the internet? It has already been noted in this thread that torture did not work under the Bush Administration. It was not only inhumane filth, but a waste of time.
Not at all.
I just don't think sitting your fat ass on your couch and second guessing those who took charge in such times is honorable or constructive.
McCain was a prisoner of war, so he is probably a bit more open to the idea torture is unacceptable than his peers in the party that came from some rich family somewhere and failed history class.
Grow up. Do you believe war is all sweetness and light?
The nation. Believe as you wish. How many of those of you who support releasing this damaging document have read it?
Feinstein committed an act of treason today.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Second guessing? Are you ****ing kidding me? The report speaks for itself... absolutely no intel was gathered using these methods. Even before Chaney et al. decided to take this despicable road, all research on torture conclude that it's USELESS. So you're the fat-assed lazy couch dwelling person who has no issue with being spoon fed propaganda.
:shrug:
I would be cautious. The report might, or might not say that. Have you read it? I have not. I don't need to. I know the intelligence business.
I also believe this was treason.
"The use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of obtaining accurate information," according to the Senate Intelligence Committee report.
The report debunks the top 20 examples CIA has used to defend the now-shuttered enhanced interrogation program, claiming that each of the examples "was found to be wrong in fundamental respects."
Additionally, false confessions obtained by enhanced interrogation techniques from detainees led the CIA to pursue dead leads that did not help in the fight against al-Qaeda. Information the CIA obtained through these harsh interrogations, which in some cases amounted to torture, was either false or had been previously obtained through alternative intelligence gathering, according to the report.
"While being subjected to the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques and afterwards, multiple CIA detainees fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligence," the report reads.
The CIA and other advocates of these enhanced interrogation techniques, including former Vice President Dick Cheney have continued to defend the practices as critical to intelligence gathering efforts in the fight against terrorism.
The CIA continues to claim that coercive interrogations were crucial to capturing Osama bin-Laden, but the Senate report concludes that the most "accurate' CIA information that led to bin Laden's capture came from a detainee before the detainee was tortured.
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The CIA claims that information obtained through coercion "fundamentally" changed the agency's calculations.
The Senate report insists that bin Laden could have been captured without the torture of any detainees.
The "most accurate" CIA intelligence that led to bin Laden's capture came from Hassan Ghul, who was captured in Iraq in 2004.
While Ghul was later subjected to enhanced interrogations, the Senate report contends that Ghul provided information that led to bin Laden's courier through traditional interrogation -- before he faced anything resembling torture.
Second guessing? Are you ****ing kidding me? The report speaks for itself... absolutely no intel was gathered using these methods. Even before Chaney et al. decided to take this despicable road, all research on torture conclude that it's USELESS. So you're the fat-assed lazy couch dwelling person who has no issue with being spoon fed propaganda.
Grow up. Some people were made uncomfortable.War is hell, and torture is only done by devilish people. Torture? Not in MY ****ing name.
If you want to take the Democrat's word as it relates to "no intel gathered", you're welcome to do so. The Republicans on the committee and the CIA dispute that claim. But we'll likely never know because Republicans and the CIA don't go on Colbert to pump themselves up by disclosing highly classified information for their low information voters.
You have faith in Dianne Feinstein - I have faith in President Bush and the CIA
I have faith in none of them. :mrgreen:
You seem to know little about what torture does.
I stopped voting Republican when Bush led us to a war in Iraq based on lies. Since then, I have voted only for Libertarians..... Except for one time. That was in 2008, when I voted for John McCain, who IMHO, is willing to put party politics aside and call a spade a spade.
This video, of McCain's speech, made on the Senate floor today, is a must watch, for John McCain, in his harsh criticism of his own party, represents the conscience of America, and is a Republican I would vote for again. There should be no Republicans or Democrats, but Americans who stand for American ideals, and torture is certainly not one of them.
Give 'em hell, John.