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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Second guessing? Are you ****ing kidding me? The report speaks for itself... absolutely no intel was gathered using these methods. Even before Chaney et al. decided to take this despicable road, all research on torture conclude that it's USELESS. So you're the fat-assed lazy couch dwelling person who has no issue with being spoon fed propaganda.
    Have you read the report? Was it double spaced?

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

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    I would say this was clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies. She has confessed in open, before the microphones.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I would be cautious. The report might, or might not say that. Have you read it? I have not. I don't need to. I know the intelligence business.

    I also believe this was treason.
    You seem to know little about what torture does.

    "The use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of obtaining accurate information," according to the Senate Intelligence Committee report.
    The report debunks the top 20 examples CIA has used to defend the now-shuttered enhanced interrogation program, claiming that each of the examples "was found to be wrong in fundamental respects."
    Additionally, false confessions obtained by enhanced interrogation techniques from detainees led the CIA to pursue dead leads that did not help in the fight against al-Qaeda. Information the CIA obtained through these harsh interrogations, which in some cases amounted to torture, was either false or had been previously obtained through alternative intelligence gathering, according to the report.
    "While being subjected to the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques and afterwards, multiple CIA detainees fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligence," the report reads.
    The CIA and other advocates of these enhanced interrogation techniques, including former Vice President Dick Cheney have continued to defend the practices as critical to intelligence gathering efforts in the fight against terrorism.
    The CIA continues to claim that coercive interrogations were crucial to capturing Osama bin-Laden, but the Senate report concludes that the most "accurate' CIA information that led to bin Laden's capture came from a detainee before the detainee was tortured.
    Report: CIA misled White House McCain: Everyone knows we waterboarded Feinstein: Report seeks to remedy mistakes
    The CIA claims that information obtained through coercion "fundamentally" changed the agency's calculations.
    The Senate report insists that bin Laden could have been captured without the torture of any detainees.
    The "most accurate" CIA intelligence that led to bin Laden's capture came from Hassan Ghul, who was captured in Iraq in 2004.
    While Ghul was later subjected to enhanced interrogations, the Senate report contends that Ghul provided information that led to bin Laden's courier through traditional interrogation -- before he faced anything resembling torture.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Second guessing? Are you ****ing kidding me? The report speaks for itself... absolutely no intel was gathered using these methods. Even before Chaney et al. decided to take this despicable road, all research on torture conclude that it's USELESS. So you're the fat-assed lazy couch dwelling person who has no issue with being spoon fed propaganda.
    If you want to take the Democrat's word as it relates to "no intel gathered", you're welcome to do so. The Republicans on the committee and the CIA dispute that claim. But we'll likely never know because Republicans and the CIA don't go on Colbert to pump themselves up by disclosing highly classified information for their low information voters.

    You have faith in Dianne Feinstein - I have faith in President Bush and the CIA
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    War is hell, and torture is only done by devilish people. Torture? Not in MY ****ing name.
    Grow up. Some people were made uncomfortable.

    Fine not in your name. What makes your name so special?

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you want to take the Democrat's word as it relates to "no intel gathered", you're welcome to do so. The Republicans on the committee and the CIA dispute that claim. But we'll likely never know because Republicans and the CIA don't go on Colbert to pump themselves up by disclosing highly classified information for their low information voters.

    You have faith in Dianne Feinstein - I have faith in President Bush and the CIA
    I have faith in none of them.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have faith in none of them.
    Fair enough - can't say I blame you.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You seem to know little about what torture does.
    I know I would not believe anything the Senate intelligence committee, controlled by Democrats, says about whether or not enhanced interrogation works. When not committing treason they lie.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Bin Laden truly did win. With a single attack, he got the US entangled in the Middle East for over a decade, spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives fighting pointless wars, and reduced America's moral authority to nothing.

    The right-wing fell for it and pulled the rest of the country into the gutter with them.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I stopped voting Republican when Bush led us to a war in Iraq based on lies. Since then, I have voted only for Libertarians..... Except for one time. That was in 2008, when I voted for John McCain, who IMHO, is willing to put party politics aside and call a spade a spade.

    This video, of McCain's speech, made on the Senate floor today, is a must watch, for John McCain, in his harsh criticism of his own party, represents the conscience of America, and is a Republican I would vote for again. There should be no Republicans or Democrats, but Americans who stand for American ideals, and torture is certainly not one of them.

    Give 'em hell, John.

    I would not trust McCain as dog catcher much less president. It would be like voting for a liberal.

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