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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    All Presidents have advisers that on occasion lead them astray. One could argue that President Obama's disastrous Presidency can be laid at the feet of his inner White House counselors as opposed to the experts in the various fields who advised him differently.

    That said, if a person, a President, acts with honour and sincerity of purpose and the outcome is less than what others may have wanted or expected, that doesn't mean the person or President is any less honorable. I still believe that President Bush was and is an honorable man and he acted most honorably in carrying out his duties as President. In my view, President Bush was one of the least political Presidents ever to hold the office - that is quite honorable too.
    This is beyond blindness, W surrounded himself with neocons that carried out their agenda (re: ideological goals, ie politically motivated goals) and he did not move away from the multiple follies until very late in the game and only to the slightest degree.....without regret.

    And yet we still have his supporters here and outside of the US (!!!) who still claim he was honorable in light of so many HUGE failures. The blindness brought about by confused loyalty is unbelievable.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you think anyone other than the typical Democrat hack and Gruber voters you rely upon is going to give credence to the Senate Democrat report, you're nuts.
    John, it is no surprise to any of us that even in Canada there are folk who will in the face of overwhelming evidence still claim that the Bush administrations were honorable while engaging in state sponsored torture, creating a huge increase in domestic surveillance, getting caught not in just one but two military quagmires (that President* Cheney himself identified as such back in 1992!).....and that is just for starters!

    I suspect we have VERY different ideas about what we should award with honors.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Torturing someone makes you literally a terrorist.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Liberal denial

    "What makes you think that the bar should be actionable intelligence?

    Atrocities? Like flying airplanes into buildings? Like killing stewardesses with box cutters? Those atrocities?
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    Like snatching innocent civilians off the street to be repurposed as human punching bags. Like torturing and falsely imprisoning people for years on end. Etc.
    So the bad guys, people who hate the US somewhat more than you do murdered people. We made them uncomfortable. You sided with them against us. Understood.

    Uncomfortable is probably the understatement of the year.
    I believe it fits. No process of politely asking one's enemies to tell us what they know is perfect.

    "If you haven't the stomach for war I will understand.

    But at least you should be thanking the people involved who kept you safe."

    Kept me safe? Thats a laugh.
    If One could be certain that only the leftists would be targets I could get behind your kumbaya attitude.




    If they want to keep me safe then they can come to Columbus and widen 270 by a few lanes. Maybe take out Hilltop while they're at it. Milling around Afghanistan and anally raping people you've bought from a shady Pakistani bounty hunter doesn't keep me safe let alone from something less likely to happen to me than being struck by lightning while holding a winning lotto ticket.
    The liberal denial is strong in this one.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Honorable? He ordered the CIA to spy on the Quakers, for Christ sake.
    Well, no, Dan. He really didn't. For Christ's sake.

    I started to go down the path of explaining military counterintelligence activities but then I realized it really would not make any difference.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all.

    I just don't think sitting your (the collective "your") fat ass on your couch and second guessing those who took charge in such times is honorable or constructive.
    Also, sitting on your (the collective "your") fat ass and cheering someone on who does the torturing you are not willing to do yourself, is anything but honorable and constructive.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, the bedwetters were the treasonous lot that had so little faith in America and American justice that they over-reacted to 9/11 by surrendering basic rights and basic dignity that characterized America in favor of "anything goes" (like torture). The faith of these people was so shallow that they were willing to sacrifice freedoms so they would not die..... they would laud the Marines for dying for our freedoms; but these cowards were quick to give back the freedoms so they would not die....

    These people walked away from everything America stood for because they had an irrational fear of being killed by an Arab boogeyman. Rather than deal with things rationally, they chose hysteria, supporting absurd and ugly things (by 20th century American standards) the supported things like Gitmo, torture, the Patroit Act. They did so because they were cowards, they were bedwetters, and, because they were so willing to sacrifice our Constitution for such a paltry price, they were a treasonous lot.
    To be fair, the majority of Americans were manipulated after 9/11 using very skillfully crafted propaganda (with the media's help) into supporting everything the Bush (Cheney) administration did. I don't blame the manipulated so much, I blame the manipulators who used the tragedy of 9/11 to carry out plans that were in the waiting long before the attacks took place.

    The neocons said it would take a 'Pearl Harbor event' to get America on board with their conquest of the Middle East. Well, they got it, and they took advantage of it.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Like snatching innocent civilians off the street to be repurposed as human punching bags. Like torturing and falsely imprisoning people for years on end. Etc.



    Uncomfortable is probably the understatement of the year.



    Kept me safe? Thats a laugh. If they want to keep me safe then they can come to Columbus and widen 270 by a few lanes. Maybe take out Hilltop while they're at it. Milling around Afghanistan and anally raping people you've bought from a shady Pakistani bounty hunter doesn't keep me safe let alone from something less likely to happen to me than being struck by lightning while holding a winning lotto ticket.
    They did the same thing after Pearl Harbor was attacked, the government rounded people up, and either incarcerated them or placed them in internment camps, the Bush took a page from history and repeated it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/23/ny...anted=all&_r=0

    Japanese-American Internment [ushistory.org]

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Also, sitting on your (the collective "your") fat ass and cheering someone on who does the torturing you are not willing to do yourself, is anything but honorable and constructive.
    I see - so in your view, if you can't do a job you have no right to respect and honour that job.

    I totally disagree.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    This report was written by Democrat members on the Intelligence committee. It was comprised of third, fourth, fifth parties. At what point does it become hearsay or at the very least questionable/unreliable? These Democrats did not gather any testimony from those directly involved starting with three different CIA directors. The Republicans issued a minority report that differs from the Democratic version. They don't seem to suffer from amnesia on being briefed on the interrogation techniques used and the results they produced and funded this "torture by proxy" program for the CIA.

    I find some of the methods of interrogation very disturbing. But on the other hand if I had intelligence of an attack planned that could kill thousands of people, how much pain would any of us be willing to inflict on an individual to get the information that could thwart it? To not honestly answer that question makes one a self-righteous hypocrite.





    CIA report: A travesty from the Senate Intelligence Committee - Gate House

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