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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Was that political or was that ideological? Based on your take, you'd argue that Bush's stand on stem cell research was political although I'd claim it was ideological.
    Aren't his politics based on his ideology?


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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree - wanna bet whether or not it was going on to some extent before Bush was President? I'll be a lot of it was going on during the Johnson Presidency and the Vietnam war protests and the Nixon Presidency. Likely, before them as well.
    I'm sure it was. Actually considering that the FBI kept a file on John Lennon would tell me that we know it was.


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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Cutting short his vacation to sign the Terry Schiavo bill in the middle of the night.
    Again, was that political or ideological? Or was that simply a matter of the timeliness of signing a piece of legislation before someone was taken off life support?

    In order to be a political move, in my opinion, the action has to be primarily taken to further political goals, either personal or party. One could argue that signing this bill was contrary to support of political goals or party goals.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree with President GW Bush.

    I agree with Vice-President Dick Cheney.

    I agree with the leadership of the CIA.

    These are all honorable men, doing honorable things at a time when America needed such leadership.

    As Vice-President Cheney said recently, "these agents deserve commendation, not criticism".

    All that said, I'm glad the report was released.
    By everything you state, the GWBush administration and Cheney deserve their day in court so they can present any contravening EVIDENCE to justify the TORTURE. I'm all for that. Let's hope the prosecutors do their job so these dudes can attempt to unsully their reputations. eh?

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree with President GW Bush.

    I agree with Vice-President Dick Cheney.

    I agree with the leadership of the CIA.

    These are all honorable men, doing honorable things at a time when America needed such leadership.

    As Vice-President Cheney said recently, "these agents deserve commendation, not criticism".

    All that said, I'm glad the report was released.
    By everything you state, the GWBush administration and Cheney deserve their day in court so they can present any contravening EVIDENCE to justify the TORTURE. I'm all for that. Let's hope the prosecutors do their job so these dudes can attempt to unsully their reputations. eh?

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Aren't his politics based on his ideology?
    Ideology may guide politics, but politics don't rule ideology. It may be politically advantageous for a politician to do something that is contrary to their ideology. It also may be politically disadvantageous for a politician to do something that is consistent with their ideology. The example of stem cell research that I gave earlier is a prime example of an ideological move by President Bush that was potentially politically damaging to him and his party in subsequent elections.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, I agree - that's just you.
    No, he's in the majority. It's just you who thinks Bush is an honorable man who acted wisely after 9/11.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    By everything you state, the GWBush administration and Cheney deserve their day in court so they can present any contravening EVIDENCE to justify the TORTURE. I'm all for that. Let's hope the prosecutors do their job so these dudes can attempt to unsully their reputations. eh?
    I'm told continuously by many of my American friends and foes here on DP that the proper venue for securing justice against a President or Vice-President who is believed to have broken the laws of the country while in office is an impeachment proceeding. Seems to me, all this information was well known and well available to the House of Representatives in 2007 when the Democrats were in charge and they could easily have commenced impeachment proceedings if they felt the need.

    They didn't do so - therefore, the US Congress implicitly sanctioned the actions, wouldn't you agree, eh?

    Or are you the type who likes to see subsequent administrations try the perceived misdeeds of their predecessors?
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    No, he's in the majority. It's just you who thinks Bush is an honorable man who acted wisely after 9/11.
    And yet, President Bush had the highest job approval ratings of any President ever recorded by Gallop in the aftermath of 9/11, for his steadfast leadership of the nation.

    And yet, today, President Bush has job approval ratings of his Presidency that President Obama can only sit in amazement and envy.

    You may like to think I'm alone - arrogant and smug liberals always believe they are in the majority and never wrong - but I'll rest comfortably knowing I'm not.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And yet, President Bush had the highest job approval ratings of any President ever recorded by Gallop in the aftermath of 9/11, for his steadfast leadership of the nation.
    His high was recorded 10 days after 9-11, hardly reflection on his actions post 9-11.

    And yet, today, President Bush has job approval ratings of his Presidency that President Obama can only sit in amazement and envy.
    Bush's term ended in January of 2009, by 10-2008 his approval hit 25%, culminating the greatest DECLINE of approval of any POTUS recorded by Gallup.

    You may like to think I'm alone - arrogant and smug liberals always believe they are in the majority and never wrong - but I'll rest comfortably knowing I'm not.
    I know there are LOTS of really stupid conservatives....and generally stupidity and conservatism goes hand in hand.
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