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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In the end, Bush's biggest fault was listening to bad advice. I agree with that.

    Least political? Not by a long shot.
    Good morning Rocket. Can you name some of the purely political actions Bush took while President?
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The Bush administration is just as culpable in spying on all Americans.
    Actually, I'd say all branches of the American government - executive, congress, and the judiciary - are all equally culpable in the current level of spying being done on all Americans.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    All Presidents have advisers that on occasion lead them astray. One could argue that President Obama's disastrous Presidency can be laid at the feet of his inner White House counselors as opposed to the experts in the various fields who advised him differently.

    That said, if a person, a President, acts with honour and sincerity of purpose and the outcome is less than what others may have wanted or expected, that doesn't mean the person or President is any less honorable. I still believe that President Bush was and is an honorable man and he acted most honorably in carrying out his duties as President. In my view, President Bush was one of the least political Presidents ever to hold the office - that is quite honorable too.
    I think President Bush was a cravenly opportunistic asshole, but hey, that's just me.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all. I asked you why Bush supposedly, personally, authorized spying on the Quakers. You didn't tell me. But if he did order it specifically, which I don't believe, it would have been done as part of a blanket order for surveillance of any and all protest groups. At a time when terrorists were becoming home grown and hiding in plain sight, it was prudent that surveillance be conducted. After all, had there been another attack on US soil, I'm sure you would have been among those who decried Bush's incompetence in not seeing the attack coming and not doing everything he could to avert it.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Rocket. Can you name some of the purely political actions Bush took while President?
    I seem to recall that he had a special appointee for "faith based initiatives." A "czar" if you will. To mollify a special interest group that specifically supports his party.


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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, I'd say all branches of the American government - executive, congress, and the judiciary - are all equally culpable in the current level of spying being done on all Americans.
    As would I, but that culpability extends beyond the years in which Obama was President.


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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Rocket. Can you name some of the purely political actions Bush took while President?
    Cutting short his vacation to sign the Terry Schiavo bill in the middle of the night.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I think President Bush was a cravenly opportunistic asshole, but hey, that's just me.
    Yes, I agree - that's just you.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I seem to recall that he had a special appointee for "faith based initiatives." A "czar" if you will. To mollify a special interest group that specifically supports his party.
    Was that political or was that ideological? Based on your take, you'd argue that Bush's stand on stem cell research was political although I'd claim it was ideological.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    As would I, but that culpability extends beyond the years in which Obama was President.
    I agree - wanna bet whether or not it was going on to some extent before Bush was President? I'll be a lot of it was going on during the Johnson Presidency and the Vietnam war protests and the Nixon Presidency. Likely, before them as well.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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