A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.
Will there not always be an element of war that will bring out the worst in people?
‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).
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Absolutely, and also that brings out the best. I am reading on the North Africa campaign right now, and while there where some pretty horrific things done by both sides, there was also some pretty wonderful things done, sometimes side by side. During Operation Reservist, allied soldiers desperately tried to swim to shore, and while some French troops tried to rescue those swimming, others where casually picking them off with rifle fire. During the North Africa campaign, Wehrmacht medics often braved fire to treat Allied soldiers. And so on and so forth. This does not excuse, legally nor morally, excesses committed during war. A large part of why there are laws for how war can be waged is to help push soldiers to overcome those negative impulses that they all at times might want to do. War without laws is an even uglier thing than war with laws.Will there not always be an element of war that will bring out the worst in people?
My bet is all of those who are saying we should take the high ground and be the better people and all that bull**** live insulated from real harm. If I were in a position that my wife or kids were in danger I would do things to end it that would make people beg to die. We're not talking about people who commit petty crimes here, we are talking about people who plan and commit crimes against innocent people and are actually happy to die doing it. There is no reasoning with people like that. I don't much care what ethical standards armchair quarterbacks claim to have, I think in many cases they lack the backbone or the nerve to be close to real danger anyway. Most people are pretty soft. Personally I'm glad we have people like these interrogators and Chris Kyle to deal with these kind of enemies.
The problem with torture is that torturers start enjoying it and want to to use more extreme pain, and torture as many people as possible. I think there should be a bit more of a presumption of guilt when there is no question that the torture was committed by the people on trial. In other words, torture should remain illegal with the possibility of a torturer having a reasonable justification in rare cases. More like the way police officers are routinely taken off duty and their badge and weapon confiscated after they shoot someone, no matter the circumstances.
Use your head...for 'all of those who are saying we should take the high ground' to be true, then you are saying that every, single present or former member of the armed forces/police and fire departments 'live insulated from real harm'. Which is nonsense because I KNOW that not every one of them feels as you do.
Maybe, those that have seen the real world understand it better and realize that to act like those you hate makes you no better the those you hate.
I have been in a military, been in jail (non-military related) and 'been' several other things...and I KNOW that torture is wrong. And I also know that it is sometimes easier to let oneself take the easy way out - the lowlife way out.
And what separates the good from the bad, IMO, is the good choose not to give in to anger, rage, cruelty and dehumanization. And the bad do.
And the day the entire world believes as you do is the day I no longer want any part of this world.
'Better to be dead and cool, then alive and uncool'
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'What kind of sick and twisted toy factory is this?'
'We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away.'
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Sen. Bob Kerrey: Partisan torture report fails America
A former Navy Seal, Democrat, former governor and Medal of Honor recipient, tears the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence committee a new asshole for their one-sided partisanship.
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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