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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The performance of solemn duty is always honorable.
    The 9/11 attacks were the "solemn duty" of the terrorists who committed them in order to defend their way of life against the threat the United States posed to it. It's good to know that you think their actions were honorable.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    McCain has earned the right to speak on this subject, so I'll give him that.

    I believe that if someone decided that these methods are appropriate, then if they are found to be inappropriate, then they should be Patriots enough to accept any consequences.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I consider the steady, firm leadership of President Bush following 9/11 to be some of the most honorable leadership in American history. I'm Canadian, but I was damn proud of him and I thanked whatever god there is that he was President at the time. You are entitled to view that as sadism if you choose.
    From the report : "Majid Khan’s ‘lunch tray’ consisting of hummus, pasta, with sauce, nuts and raisins was ‘pureed’ and rectally infused." That's not honorable. Thank God you're not an American.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I stopped voting Republican when Bush led us to a war in Iraq based on lies. Since then, I have voted only for Libertarians..... Except for one time. That was in 2008, when I voted for John McCain, who IMHO, is willing to put party politics aside and call a spade a spade.

    This video, of McCain's speech, made on the Senate floor today, is a must watch, for John McCain, in his harsh criticism of his own party, represents the conscience of America, and is a Republican I would vote for again. There should be no Republicans or Democrats, but Americans who stand for American ideals, and torture is certainly not one of them.

    Give 'em hell, John.

    Torture is one of the few issues where I see eye-to-eye with McCain. The other times, though, he makes me want to pull my hair out.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It looks like it works.
    Whether or not it "works" is not the point (though the released report indicates it does not). The point is we should not be resorting to barbaric practices and lowering ourselves to the terrorists' level.

    I'm sure the third world/medieval world practice of cutting off the hands of thieves "works", as well.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Protecting the nation, against all enemies, foreign or Democrat, I mean domestic, will always be honorable.
    Using practices that unnecessarily expose us to more retaliation is never honorable.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From the report : "Majid Khan’s ‘lunch tray’ consisting of hummus, pasta, with sauce, nuts and raisins was ‘pureed’ and rectally infused." That's not honorable. Thank God you're not an American.
    How can you write that? Of course it was honorable. We could have shoved it up his ass without being pureed.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah man, when we use rape as a torture device that causes no lasting harm at all. Nope.

    Hell man, our actions are so humane we strip them naked and make them do tricks for us, we make them do sexual things to each other, we make them seem like they are drowning, and did I mention we sometimes use rape? Yeah man, it's all good.
    Source for rape used for torture?

    Craziest thing I saw was that rectal infusion business, ugh.

    The CIA is grim, but so is the world, so I have given the pass to water-boarding and sleep deprivation. But, even then, I've read that in the end physical torture isn't as effective as lawful interrogation in the long term -- it was from some article about a Vietnam interrogator who got much farther with mental techniques than torturing people.

    Still, with even McCain having gone after it, I find myself undecided.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you want to be the good guys, you have to act like the good guys. I want to be one of the good guys. We do not need to torture, we should not torture, we should be better than those we are fighting against.
    So where do you stand on the RAF fire bombing of dresden in WW2 or the atom bomb drops on Japan?
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Mccain jumped the shark a long time ago.
    I don't have any use for him.

    This report will only remind people why they hate Democrats so much .

    Politics trumps everything.
    From ' Bush lied to get us into Iraq' to this.

    They are Alqaeda and isis' best recruiters.

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