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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Protecting the nation, against all enemies, foreign or Democrat, I mean domestic, will always be honorable.
    That's where you are wrong. They were not protecting the nation, they were attempting unravel its strength. If we could do those things to foreign prisoners we could do the same to our own. Then we would be no better than the Nazi's and worthy of the same fate.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Dershowitz problem is not at all partisan. It is taught at our leading law schools.
    so are we good to go with increased taxes and single payer, then? after all, terrorists and NYC nukes are the only alternative.


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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If the world was about to end, and the only way to save the world was to have wild, passionate sex with jack Hayes, would you do it? Now don't change the question, and any failure to answer either yes or no means you are cowardly running away from the question, so which is it, yes or no.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I stopped voting Republican when Bush led us to a war in Iraq based on lies. Since then, I have voted only for Libertarians..... Except for one time. That was in 2008, when I voted for John McCain, who IMHO, is willing to put party politics aside and call a spade a spade.

    This video, of McCain's speech, made on the Senate floor today, is a must watch, for John McCain, in his harsh criticism of his own party, represents the conscience of America, and is a Republican I would vote for again. There should be no Republicans or Democrats, but Americans who stand for American ideals, and torture is certainly not one of them.

    Give 'em hell, John.

    The biggest RINO is office siding with a partisan hack study conducted by democrats trying to suck the balls of anti-war trash for votes.Say it ain't so.

    BTW I have no problem with the report being released.I have come to the conclusion that terrorist scum don't need an excuse to murder innocent people and the only thing the government should be allowed to keep secret is troop movements during a time of war.Actual war not this war on terror bull****.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    At no point did I ever consider thanking any sort of deity that George W. Bush was president.
    Now, that's a revelation. I'm shocked. That almost qualifies for a breaking news thread.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    There was no evidence that Iraq orchestrated the attack. There was only intelligence that Bin Laden was determined to strike the US. No one ever suggested an Iraq connection outside of neocon circles, who stated in their manifesto that a Pearl Harbor incident would be a great way to start a campaign of reshaping the Middle East, starting with Iraq.



    Yeah, otherwise America might have invaded the wrong country. Wouldn't that have been embarrassing? What I thank is that Stephen Harper -- your hero -- wasn't PM of Canada at the time, or else Canada might have been dragged into that clusterf*ck of a war and bled us of money and Canadian lives.
    You quoted Rumsfeld on the afternoon of 9/11 and I answered that scenario. The level of evidence years later is irrelevant to the reaction of the Defense Secretary on the very day of the 9/11 attacks.

    And just to be clear, Canada was involved in the Iraq war, under your hero Jean Chretien. Only difference is that Jean Chretien involved Canada dishonestly, on the sly - the standard practice of liberals world wide.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    That goes into the classification of liberals in the Senate hoping that if they repeat a lie enough times, it will be perceived as the truth. Leon Panetta who spend time heading the CIA under Obama and was part of the Clinton administration has stated more then once that the lead that the lead that led to finding Osama Bin Laden came from enhanced interrogations.
    First post since the OP I've wanted to respond to since the first 130+ posts I read were nothing but personal sniping.

    Leon Panetta has said that, you are correct. The statements that "not a single piece of useful intel were had" (and similar ones) are not correct if you are to believe Panetta. And Panetta has a bit more credibility than posters on a message board.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I stopped voting Republican when Bush led us to a war in Iraq based on lies. Since then, I have voted only for Libertarians..... Except for one time. That was in 2008, when I voted for John McCain, who IMHO, is willing to put party politics aside and call a spade a spade.

    This video, of McCain's speech, made on the Senate floor today, is a must watch, for John McCain, in his harsh criticism of his own party, represents the conscience of America, and is a Republican I would vote for again. There should be no Republicans or Democrats, but Americans who stand for American ideals, and torture is certainly not one of them.

    Give 'em hell, John.

    I supported McCain in 2008 enthusiastically. I like the man, did then and do now. Nobody should be surprised at his words on this topic - he's been saying them for years. I can't watch the video on this computer but I did see some snips yesterday of McCain so I assume this is the same speech (and I know the gist).

    The one thing this country will never agree on is was this "torture" in the way most of us understand torture. My uncle was in the Bataan Death March and before he died he told my parents some of the terrible things done to him and his fellow soldiers. What happened to him was in my eyes "torture". I also believe McCain was tortured. I don't really believe that what happened to these people is in the same league. And luckily here in America we didn't as a country decide to exact revenge on the Japanese and Koreans and others for what they did to our men. I don't share that belief of the terrorists today. JMO.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I stopped voting Republican when Bush led us to a war in Iraq based on lies. Since then, I have voted only for Libertarians..... Except for one time. That was in 2008, when I voted for John McCain, who IMHO, is willing to put party politics aside and call a spade a spade.

    This video, of McCain's speech, made on the Senate floor today, is a must watch, for John McCain, in his harsh criticism of his own party, represents the conscience of America, and is a Republican I would vote for again. There should be no Republicans or Democrats, but Americans who stand for American ideals, and torture is certainly not one of them.

    Give 'em hell, John.

    Even a blind hog finds an acorn from time to time. McCain is on the right side here because he was tortured himself, despite being the Admiral's Son. At least I make that assumption.

    Otherwise, McCain stands for the status quo--more war.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Then you missed Obama's speech on American exceptionalism.
    The one that Putin criticized--in which Putin garnered MUCH praise from MANY on the GOP side of the aisle.
    Notice I don't use terms that refer to ALL on the conservative side which you use to the left .
    NIMBY, if you didn't, for once, just use "terms that refer to ALL on the conservative side" this might be a first for you. Congrats, however, you have shown yourself to not being exactly adverse to doing just that in the past. Can you be honest and agree with me on that?

    All that said, you're right in that I should have qualified that statement. In fact, the post you quoted from me acknowledges that very thing, so you're actually a little late to this party.

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