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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Its nice to know that his is apparently for sale.

    I would not call saving a million lives a sale.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep, every waterboarding begins with a prayer and ends with a slice of homemade apple pie.
    But I want cake. This **** is torture!

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I would not call saving a million lives a sale.
    I do. I'm also curious about this arbitrary number thats been conjured up. What if it was just 10,000 lives or only 1 life? Would he still do it? Would you? Where is the invisible line you have to cross before you decide you have no scruples? Then there's the location of the bomb. Does the place or the nationality of the people who would be killed factor into the decision to abandon ones principles? Would he bother if the bomb were in Mecca or Tehran? Would you?
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but the problem is the problem. You can decline to address it but you can't just wish it into another form.
    Everything I said works inside what you stated the situation was.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I would not call saving a million lives a sale.
    I would call it saving a million straw men.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There's no gotcha involved. This is a relatively famous problem used in leading law schools. An early poster came close to Dershowitz's own answer: torture the man and then turn yourself in for trial.
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    A million lives might be the going rate for Dershowitz's principles but it isn't for mine.
    I think Dershowitz should stop watching re-runs of "24".
    Alan's Walter Mitty fantasies have him thinking he's Jack Bauer.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bunch of ****ing weirdos if you ask me.
    Earlier today, I saw a news blurb that stated the CIA had paid a couple psychiatrists $80 million to set up and run their interrogation program.
    Eighty million.......typical gov't bureaucracy overspending.
    I wonder why many conservatives, who typically deride bureaucratic overspending and incompetence, don't seem concerned about intelligence/military incompetence?
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Meh, I thought liberals rejected the notion of "American exceptionalism" as a myth born of arrogance anyway and that we're no better, and in fact worse, than any other nation out there.

    If that's all true, anyway, we might as well get some intel.
    Would that be ALL liberals ?
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Then you missed Obama's speech on American exceptionalism.
    The one that Putin criticized--in which Putin garnered MUCH praise from MANY on the GOP side of the aisle.
    Notice I don't use terms that refer to ALL on the conservative side which you use to the left .

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well, I don't think you can speak to what every liberal thinks/believes (and neither can I so I totally should have qualified that post). I think most liberals who constantly criticize the US mean well, but, at the same time, you can't use this notion of American exceptionalism only when it's a convenient bludgeon.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    (I'm one of the few people that actually likes John McCain)
    Wrong again.
    Especially on your continued description of what ALL people think when yer the first to complain about that from the libruls.
    Who made you the expert on who likes John McCain ?
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