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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That's stupid. Why do you think torture is the only thing I can do?
    Because that is the boundary of the problem.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That's stupid. Why do you think torture is the only thing I can do?
    Because he's trying to create a gotcha moment and failing miserably so far.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Because he's trying to create a gotcha moment and failing miserably so far.

    There's no gotcha involved. This is a relatively famous problem used in leading law schools. An early poster came close to Dershowitz's own answer: torture the man and then turn yourself in for trial.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because that is the boundary of the problem.
    No, the guy has a bomb that has a code that you need to know to disarm the bomb. First of all, that whole situation is stupid as more than likely you could get around that requirement. Second, there is nothing about the situation that says the only thing that can be done is to torture the man.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There's no gotcha involved. This is a relatively famous problem used in leading law schools. An early poster came close to Dershowitz's own answer: torture the man and then turn yourself in for trial.
    A million lives might be the going rate for Dershowitz's principles but it isn't for mine.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's right, X. American torture is almost humanitarian.
    Yep, every waterboarding begins with a prayer and ends with a slice of homemade apple pie.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, the guy has a bomb that has a code that you need to know to disarm the bomb. First of all, that whole situation is stupid as more than likely you could get around that requirement. Second, there is nothing about the situation that says the only thing that can be done is to torture the man.
    Sorry, but the problem is the problem. You can decline to address it but you can't just wish it into another form.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And your point?
    You are aware that Iraq was, at the time, threatening the US and was objecting to the US enforcing the no-fly zone over Iraqi airspace.
    There was no evidence that Iraq orchestrated the attack. There was only intelligence that Bin Laden was determined to strike the US. No one ever suggested an Iraq connection outside of neocon circles, who stated in their manifesto that a Pearl Harbor incident would be a great way to start a campaign of reshaping the Middle East, starting with Iraq.

    Your suggestion that Bush and Rumsfeld were looking for an excuse to invade Iraq would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. I'm not a religious man, but I thank whatever god is out there for keeping people with your views far from the White House.
    Yeah, otherwise America might have invaded the wrong country. Wouldn't that have been embarrassing? What I thank is that Stephen Harper -- your hero -- wasn't PM of Canada at the time, or else Canada might have been dragged into that clusterf*ck of a war and bled us of money and Canadian lives.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    A million lives might be the going rate for Dershowitz's principles but it isn't for mine.
    It's nice to know your conscience is so precious.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's nice to know your conscience is so precious.
    Its nice to know that his is apparently for sale.

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